You are awarded +1 whoosh.
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whoosh indeed…i thought you just threw out a pseudo random number and halved it
That’s hardly true. It has become common-sense knowledge only because cops have the newfangled invention of radio, so if they find a person sufficiently challenging, they can call for reenforcements. But of course, anybody else with communication and allies can do something similar. Or even jam local radio so that they are forced to deal with you on a one-on-one basis. This can do a lot to change their attitudes.
Of course, there are no guarantees, and any encounter with police should be assumed to be dangerous. But that is no reason to assume that they can or should always get their way, That would be both incorrect as well as irresponsible.
Well shit - there’s my problem!
Though “DIE DIE” sounds pretty gothy - that fits.
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Not sure I follow. I always understood that phrase to mean that you’re better off not arguing with police even if they’re acting unlawfully (or maybe even especially then) and you should keep your mouth shut and let the lawyers sort it out in court.
You can beat the rap (i.e. the criminal charges), but one way or another you’re still getting arrested and taken to jail (i.e. the ride).
Which seems like sound advice until you consider how often the ride can be fatal. 
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No, that would mean “more like a restaurant”: restauranty, restaurantier, restaurantiest.
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People ask me all the time how to spell things, because I usually know the correct spelling, but I’ve also lived a lot of places with subtle differences so I often know several verifiably “correct” variations but not which one is most widely used. In those cases I just Google all the spellings I know and pick the one with the most hits!
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It can be in English as well, e.g. referring to a serial restaurant owner, “He’s been restauranting for many years.”
(You can verb anything in English.)
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Hahahahah! Now we get to the crux of the biscuit! 
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The cops aren’t inducing you to commit a crime that you would not have otherwise committed, but they sure as hell, by definition, are creating the opportunity for you to commit that crime.
It’s hardly a unique opportunity, or it might not be a crime the suspect would have ordinarily committed. The kids didn’t come in offering to sell smuggled nuclear weapons, they made the same request the guy gets every day.
When a plainclothes cop poses as a passed-out drunk businessman wearing a Rolex on an empty subway car, he’s not busting anyone who’s been tricked into criminal behavior. That person clearly would have robbed a real passed-out businessman too. Intent is the key; if a cop gins up a motive (“That guy called your mother a whore!”) that would be inducing action that wouldn’t have been considered otherwise.
Goes with the Shadow getup
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Not that gothy for a German new-wave tribute band but “Das Ist Der Tag” and "Die Geschlagene Generation kicked ass.
Indeed!
I’ve described sting operations as morally ambiguous; I stand by that.
In the case you’ve described, the seemingly drunk businessman, the intent is clearly theft.
But in the case of the underaged drinkers, what is really being tested?
Does the wait staff intend to sell alcohol to minors, for fun and profit? Or are they just stressed and busy and forgot, or assumed someone else has already checked?
The underaged police “informers” are used by the cops to create a situation requiring special diligence, and you can bet they’re not going to choose 17 year olds who look like they’re 12. So they use a 17 year old who really could pass as an adult to casual visual inspection.
Then, the cops induce that kid to commit an actual crime, with the intent to bust some harried server or bartender.
I’m with @Ryuthrowsstuff : It’s bull 
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It’s not much of an unreasonable imposition to ensure that bars card at the door and restaurants card when a customer orders alcohol. It’s on the order of making sure your walk-in is below a certain temperature and there’s hand soap in the bathroom. Nobody gets up in arms about an inspector looking for rat droppings.
I’ve been going to bars and clubs and liquor stores since I was 14. Back then nobody gave a shit. When a friend of mine bought the first LaserWriter we immediately used it to make fake IDs from a fictional midwestern university. Real photo inserts, laminated, the whole nine. Unless we tried to get into fancy velvet rope clubs (which we almost never did) nobody ever carded us. At one point we got so frustrated about our wasted effort that we insisted a liquor store clerk check our IDs. He laughed and said “very nice, very good job” as he rang up the purchase.
Nowadays people give a shit. Regardless of the merits of underage drinking or the wisdom of prioritizing action against it, it’s pretty easy for proprietors to obey the law. If the cops were sending in 20 year olds carrying expertly crafted convincing fake identification, yeah, that would be some bullshit. But that’s not what they do.
“Die die” is punk. “Kill me now” is goth.
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I disagree. What you are saying is predicated upon the illusion that the cops are really doing it in secret. It is a well-known norm in the US that one is expected to cooperate with police regardless of whether or not their orders appear to be lawful. So the fact that it is police who are inducing one to do something serves as a justification for them doing it.
If the police departments says that you can serve these kids alcohol, or that you can score some drugs, or engage in prostitution - then why shouldn’t you? What’s the norm - doing what you think is legal, or what the police tell you you should be doing?
Their entire justification is the presumption that you did not know that they were police, under the presumption that if you did know, you would not have done it. These are both rarely questioned, and certainly debatable.
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The law does not require confiscation of vaild IDs (that I’m aware of) nor does it require intimidation and imprisonment of a minor. Especially since they knew I was doing a compliance check and not legit trying to buy from them.
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I have the most modern excuse of all: the spellchecker didn’t catch it!
When I become a restauranteur, I plan to serve everything with au jus.
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