I don’t see what the time factor has to do with it. You can shoot and kill someone in 20 seconds. Does that mean you should only get 6 days in jail?
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I’ll tell you this. It won’t be a twenty minute experience for her. It will last a lifetime.
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AHA! And now YOU’RE trying to get the moral high ground over that guy who’s trying to get the moral high ground over that other guy! And now I’M trying to get the moral high ground over you! And now I’m trying to get the moral high ground over myself! And so on and so forth indefinitely! I’ve always wanted to say that. I’m done :-/
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What turns this from deluded parent to ‘I’m trying to word but right brain is threatening to stab left brain with an aneurysm’ is the backhanded implication it’s how women dress and act that brought this on.
No, unlike what asshole not so subtly implying the default state for men isn’t to rape anyting that moves and that a conscious effort of will is needed to keep from ripping clothing off of any and all women at all times.
Or at least that’s how it is with ME and I’m a guy. Yes I am perverse and enjoy the sight of pretty women as a straight guy. I wouldn’t be averse to many things if she’s willing and interested and not so drunk she’s practically comatose so can’t give consent. However I’ve never had even the faintest ‘if I don’t reign myself in I won’t care if she says no.’
To behave as if it is her fault for 'dressing provocitavly implies men have no sense of self control.
Now my stepdad’s an asshole, and a manwhore that chases tail constantly. However as faithless and disgusting as i find that given he had promised chastity and ‘this one person forever and ever or so long as this union lasts.’ Even he is disgusted by this kind of behavior.
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He’s expressing his remorse by appealing the conviction.
If he can’t do the time, he shouldn’t have done the crime.
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It’s so absurdly passive-voiced. “20 minutes of action”. There’s no subject. It’s just an action that just … sort of happened! To people who just happened to be there!
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Even better, let Brock spend several years in a prison which focuses on rehabilitation and where no-one gets raped.
Why can’t I live in a world where that is a possibility?
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Well I don’t know who is trying to get the higher ground but it isn’t me. I just want to be safe and unafraid. I was raped nearly 50 years ago. For two years after that I couldn’t be alone in a room with a man. For ten years even in broad daylight in safe places I thought about how I might protect myself from men. For thirty years I thought about hiding places and ways to get away. It’s better now but it doesn’t go away. It is a horrible horrible thing. It takes away your trust and your sense of safety.
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Woah hey, donaleen, I thought I should probably tell you I wasn’t responding to your comment. Your comment is entirely true. I was responding to Phrenological, but now that I look at it, that’s not very obvious is it? For future reference there’s a little arrow next to my name that says “Phrenological” which means I was responding to him/her, but yeah maybe the comment system should probably make it more obvious what’s going on, I did not mean to offend you truly.
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You can read minds, as to know what an online stranger’s intentions are?
Isn’t that the contention that started that cyclical argument in the first place?
It’s a fact that the accused was convicted of sexual assault charges.
It’s a strong perception that he and his father seem to feel no remorse for his antisocial and illegal behavior.
It’s problematic to many people, that such extensive mental acrobatics are being employed to blame everything under the sun…except for the man who made a conscious choice to drag a semiconscious person along the the ground so that he could “have his way with her” as they used to say.
Alcohol or no alcohol, he made a conscious choice to drag her behind a dumpster, hump her prone body, remove her underwear and stick his fingers inside her vagina.
It’s the perception on anyone’s part that what the perp did was “no big deal, really” and that his life shouldn’t be ruined because of a ‘mistake’ that is so alarming to some of us.
It’s not about being on higher moral ground than others; its that some people seem to have no moral ground at all, and that’s problematic for society at large, IMO.
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I am so sorry that you went through that. That is absolutely horrible, and it’s something that I would never wish on my worst enemy. I admire you for rebuilding your life after such a traumatic experience.
However, by saying that the problem is “men,” it diminishes the responsibility of the attacker. If your attacker attacked you just because he is a man, then that means it’s something that can’t be helped, that it’s not his fault, because that’s what men do.
I certainly agree that men, as a group, should be doing more to take responsibility and educate their sons about consent and rape culture. However, if you want to encourage individual responsibility, then you can’t just say, “Men. MEN. Self centered. Idiotic. Entitled. Think everything in the world is for them to use and abuse,” because that implies that men can’t be better than what you describe. It’s the same logic that the cultures which demand that women wear floor-length dresses use: that if they do anything different, then the men will be tempted into sin, because they’re men.
If you tell men that they can’t be better than that, where’s the incentive for them to try to be better?
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My sincere apologies for not explicitly stating that I was using sarcasm to make a point.
But, to use your own argument… so, locking up people involuntarily is good when it’s against people you don’t like?
Exactly this.
In the “drunken party shenanigans” context, this could be considered as a mistake: getting drunk and declaring to some stranger “you’re cute, let’s go make out” and being pushed away. This is not a mistake: raping an unconscious woman in an alley behind a dumpster.
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Well, it goes along with his tastefully neutral reference to “the events of Jan 17th and 18th”, as opposed to “the multiple counts of violent assault of which my son was convicted”.
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Your sense of humor needs a recalibration.
Not funny, doesn’t even make enough sense to be wrong.
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So now it is my responsibility to make men better? I think it is the responsibility of MEN to do that. The thing is, the rest of you you do not hold the bad ones accountable. So, yes, all men are part of the problem.
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What Mr. Turner seems to have missed is that we don’t prosecute criminals based on how much they benefited from a crime, we prosecute based on how much the victim lost in the crime.
So the duration of the “action”, as he so deviously reduces it, is irrelevant. What is relevant is the lifetime of trauma that the victim is going to have to deal with. If we’re going to go all lex talionus here, then it’s only appropriate to trade a lifetime for a lifetime.
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I’m sure that a wise person once said something similar.
I certainly agree that all men need to be part of the solution. However, there’s a vast gap between “This problem is the responsibility of men to solve,” and, “Men. MEN. Self centered. Idiotic. Entitled. Think everything in the world is for them to use and abuse.”
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I’m male and I’m thoroughly disgusted by this story (and ones like it). Yet, I’m irredeemable and part of the problem?
Just to be very clear here I’m not trying to pass along any blame or judgement, nor I’m not trying to minimize any of your past experiences or throw out cliched a #notallmen type response. I just don’t see how such sweeping statements can ever create a satisfactory outcome.
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from the bbc story on this I found this tweet appropriate
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