Stanford rapist's dad says jail time is "a steep price to pay for 20 minutes of action"

I don’t think that’s what was meant.

What happened to you is horrible, and yes, you are changed, permanently.

I get it; more than I’d like to, actually.

But if you let one horrible person’s violation of you affect how you see and treat everyone who has the same physiology as your perpetrator, then evil wins.

This next bit is going sound harsh and may be met with animosity, but I have to say it nevertheless:

We don’t get to choose whether we are mistreated, abused or victimized by others; that’s an unfortunate and unfair reality of life. But we do get to choose whether we shall remain victims, or if we become survivors… and I say that from a place of personal experience.

I’m sorry for what happened to you, and I wish you peace and a sense of security to your life.

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So he was just takin’ care of business? Brock Turner overdrive.

Where do you craft this idea from?

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Of course he meant “getting some action” in a sexual way! No other meaning makes any sense in context. If he meant “an activity that only took place for 20 minutes,” then it would be incredibly bizarre to phrase it that way. And that also doesn’t constitute a defense of his son.

“It was just a little harmless petting - ya know, some action!” is a defense. “The activity that constituted this crime had a duration of 20 active minutes” is not a defense. It doesn’t even take 20 seconds to shoot a perfect stranger in the head for no reason, but no one would argue that you should get a shorter sentence for doing that than slowly strangling them because the “action” was shorter.

I’m totally astonished that anyone could read that any other way that sexual “action”.

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Then how would America destroy black people and make prisoners into slaves?

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Why do you think he’s unlikely to reoffend? As far as I can tell, neither he nor anyone close to him has even admitted that what he did was sexual assault. I’d say the first step in not reoffending is acknowledging that you actually offended the first time.

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And do you speak up when you see/hear men mistreating women? Do you laugh at sexist jokes? I could ask a million other questions, but that should be enough. Most men are not very brave about standing up to other men. Even good men are not very brave. Are you?

I don’t know… maybe always defending your kid, even when they do something wrong, is not the right path, because the only thing it does it reinforce their sense of “I’m always right”. I think you can still love your child and you don’t even have to beat them to a pulp. But you need to let them know when they stepped over the line early on in life and let them face the consequences of their actions sometimes. Maybe if this kid had been taught that there are limits to their actions, he wouldn’t have done what he did, which was to heineously violate the physical body of another human being. That speaks volumes to his upbringing, especially given this comment his father made.

Loving ones child and saying that he doesn’t deserve 6 months for raping someone are not at all the same thing. Sometime loving someone means telling them that they are wrong and need to face punishment.

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To answer your questions in order: sometimes, sometimes, sometimes. Does that make me a flawed person? Yes. I never claimed to be perfect. It doesn’t mean I’m a bad person.

I’m deeply sorry for the trauma you experienced in your past and you’re absolutely justified to have your point of view (not that you need my validation or anything). I also completely respect your POV even if I don’t agree with all of it.

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I am only basing my statement that he is unlikely to reoffend because that was one of the reasons explicitly given by the court for the relatively short sentence. I know nothing about this specific case beyond reading about it here.

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We are all flawed people. However, letting men get away with this crap makes you part of the problem. Who is going to stop them? I think men are very good at rationalizing why this isn’t their problem. it’s those OTHER men…

This 1000x, THIS.

Establishing boundaries for what is and is not acceptable is one of a parent’s biggest responsibilities to their kids.

I don’t think the father in this case is “also a monster,” per se; rather, I think he failed (and is still failing) in some of his most important duties as a decent parent.

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That’s a lot of assumptions about a stranger.

On the average in the US, you might even be a good guesser. But throwing out these statements is not helpful nor is it a convincing argument.

Everyone can and should always be better humans, but “you’re probably a sexist, therefore” is not helpful.

Everyone is programmed with regressive ideas. Many of us can trudge through to be good friends, partners, and co-exist happily with others, however.

There’s a huge difference between “all men can and should be better” and “all men are enabling scum”, and I hope your life improves to the point where that is easier to acknowledge, I sincerely do.

I also understand why it might feel the way you frame, because in many ways it can appear or is that way. It’s hard for even good men to counteract a horrible system, these elected or appointed judges, etc.

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I thought the response by the victim was great on this point:

You said, you are in the process of establishing a program for high school and college students in which you speak about your experience to “speak out against the college campus drinking culture and the sexual promiscuity that goes along with that.”

Campus drinking culture. That’s what we’re speaking out against? You think that’s what I’ve spent the past year fighting for? Not awareness about campus sexual assault, or rape, or learning to recognize consent. Campus drinking culture. Down with Jack Daniels. Down with Skyy Vodka. If you want talk to people about drinking go to an AA meeting. You realize, having a drinking problem is different than drinking and then forcefully trying to have sex with someone? Show men how to respect women, not how to drink less.

Drinking culture and the sexual promiscuity that goes along with that. Goes along with that, like a side effect, like fries on the side of your order. Where does promiscuity even come into play? I don’t see headlines that read, Brock Turner, Guilty of drinking too much and the sexual promiscuity that goes along with that. Campus Sexual Assault. There’s your first powerpoint slide. Rest assured, if you fail to fix the topic of your talk, I will follow you to every school you go to and give a follow up presentation.

Lastly you said, I want to show people that one night of drinking can ruin a life.

A life, one life, yours, you forgot about mine. Let me rephrase for you, I want to show people that one night of drinking can ruin two lives. You and me. You are the cause, I am the effect. You have dragged me through this hell with you, dipped me back into that night again and again. You knocked down both our towers, I collapsed at the same time you did. If you think I was spared, came out unscathed, that today I ride off into sunset, while you suffer the greatest blow, you are mistaken. Nobody wins. We have all been devastated, we have all been trying to find some meaning in all of this suffering. Your damage was concrete; stripped of titles, degrees, enrollment. My damage was internal, unseen, I carry it with me. You took away my worth, my privacy, my energy, my time, my safety, my intimacy, my confidence, my own voice, until today.

How does this guy even have a platform? Not only was he caught raping an unconscious woman behind a dumpster, he hasn’t even accepted guilt for his actions, just some kind of lapse in judgement that harmed his own life. This is not even acknowledging the main consequences of his actions, and the authority figures around him seem to be going along with this reasoning. We don’t want to harm his chances of success, we must remember his good qualities, we must avoid letting this affect his life too much.

This is where I can heartily agree with @donaleen. I can accept the fact that some people are going to commit crimes in every society and that men are probably going to be the ones committing most of the violent and sexual crimes. I can’t accept those crimes, but the best communities I’ve been in have had some people who proved themselves unworthy of trust placed in them. But this minimising of something that is so far beyond the kind of doubt that might exist in other cases is all on the system. There is no level of drunk that could make this in any way understandable. If you raped an unconscious person for 20 minutes and then ran away when you were caught without even covering her up or trying to argue that it was consensual, you knew what you were doing. The idea that the rapist’s ability, sporting credentials or chance of success should influence the sentence is pure classism. The defence attorney bringing up the victim’s sexual history in unconscionable. Unfortunately, I don’t think there will ever be a society without rape. But we can make one without rape apology or minimisation.

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Agreed… I don’t think he’s a monster, but he sure is a parental fail, at least from his statement.

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Obliquely referring to “the events” was a nice touch too, rather than an honest “when my spawn raped someone”. It’s not surprising the son doesn’t take responsibility for his actions given that his father dismisses them and then waxes eloquently about his love of pretzels. If anything, the context is, amazingly, even more damning than the headline suggests.

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They do. And they fail to realize it’s their mothers, wives and daughters who are getting preyed on by those OTHER men.

It’s like they just don’t give a fuck. Or maybe they are cowards.

I think it’s both.

Well… you fail to take into account that Brock as someone who is supposed to matter.

He’s on the this one is special track.

Enormous resources were fleeced for years to give Brock perfect teeth and a perfect education.

He was going to be soon successful. Can’t you see?

How the little people really don’t fucking matter at all?

Who the fuck was she… anyways.

Some little dumpster trash apparently.

It’s not just about Brock. It’s about the system who spawned him. This hurts that.

Brock means something to people who mean something. He’s an investment.

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