More than one.
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Even better.
The AMA code of ethics (at least the most current I could find) is kind of mealymouthed about compliance with “the law”; it says that when laws “are contrary to the best interests of the patient” the physician should “seek changes” to them, but doesn’t say whether he can/should/must disobey them. Presumably that is then up to the conscience of the physician involved.
This is thus an interesting test of the ethical compasses of the doctors and nurses who participated in this assault. I hope that potential future patients have an opportunity to know who they are.
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That does sound like something the Chinese government would do, but I’m afraid I’m still going to need some evidence for this claim before I can believe you.
Judge: Officer, did you sniff the suspect’s fingers? Did his fingers smell like anus? Wouldn’t sniffing fingers be good investigative techniques? Wouldn’t sniffing fingers be less invasive than an anal probe? What would you have concluded if his fingers did not smell of anus? Could a suspect do what you suspect in the short time between being pulled over and when you say him shift in his seat? Was the suspect wearing gloves?
If I were to rubber stamp your warrant with the imprint of my anus, what would it smell like?
Can you explain the causal link between shifting in one’s seat and your conclusion?
Have you ever seen other suspects shift in their seats and not thought they hid drugs in their rectums? Why did you not suspect in these cases?
What prevented you from such having such suspicions?
Was this suspect wearing pants a belt, underwear? How might one achieve your conclusion while wearing such items? Wouldn’t such clothing require a suspect to lift their torso up from the seat rather than just shift?
I think I should have stopped with the rubber stamp question.
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There was an incident near me where a woman lost her husband in a motorcycle accident the night before Thanksgiving. After the fact she received a bill for “towing” the bike to impound, three hours of the tow truck waiting at the scene, and a daily storage fee for the 14 days between the accident and the time the sheriff’s department was done with “accident reconstruction”.
Shit’s getting out of hand.
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There was one in NM, but it was a man not a woman. The cops had to drive quite a ways to find a hospital that would do the deed, and after the lawsuit they’ll have a much harder time should they wish to do it in the future.
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I had experience with a substance that they use to “clean” out your colon. I cannot remember what it is, but it comes in a small green bottle of around 8 ounces and has a nauseating citrus taste. Drink this and several hours later ( or maybe just a few minutes ) you will be glad there’s a toilet nearby. It will be an uncontrolled urge as well.
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Sounds like magnesium citrate. On the first go round I took that as the last part of my prep along with a lot of Gatorade. Needless to say it didn’t work sufficiently.
The 8oz of Miralax in 64oz of Gatorade worked much much better.
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If only we had Medicare for All in this country, he could have been anally violated on police orders and he wouldn’t have had to pay a penny!
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Is Rochin v California still good law? If forced stomach pumping and emetic administration ‘shocks the conscience,’ surely forced anal examination is at least equally shocking?
My guess: if a case like this is ever not buried by a civil settlement, Rochin will be found not to apply, because in Rochin there was no search warrant for the drugs, and because we have a lot of recent judicial appointees who apparently have no conscience to be shocked.
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The cops said that he said that, huh. Sounds like a perfectly reasonable justification for tearing someone’s body apart looking for drugs. Drugs that don’t exist. I really don’t think any amount of potential drugs justifies such heavy handed tactics. I wonder if you will remember advocating for this insanity when it is you or someone you love being mutilated on such flimsy grounds.
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He may well have said that. He’s not necessarily a sympathetic client given his criminal history. But even so, that doesn’t justify additional medically unnecessary procedures after a negative x-ray. And I think we need to be judged by how we treat all people, not just the most sympathetic.
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That’s because it IS bad.
It doesn’t matter what the man’s criminal history is, or that he allegedly taunted the officers.
Because they hold so much power, authorities need to be held to a higher standard of conduct, not a lower one.
Violating people’s rights and bodies because they “teased” police officers is a piss poor excuse for the heinous abuse of their power. That’s some victim blaming nonsense.
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Throw in that the taunting could have been a sarcastic response to them insinuating that there was a problem with him shifting suspiciously. Most people know that any reference to an ass-pull means something doesn’t exist. To power-tripping LEOs it means that you just justified more assault. They don’t even have to believe in the sincerity.
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It’s not his criminal history–that’s no reason for an ass-search. However, when someone specifically says they are doing something illegal I don’t have a problem with the cops making a through search to confirm/deny that.
Someone can, say, yell they have a chip in their head all they want, but that doesn’t mean the cops can do brain surgery, especially if there is already an negative x-ray.
Standard procedure is to wait out the suspect by confining them in a room without a flush toilet. But these cops and a judge decided normal procedure didn’t apply to them. Doesn’t matter if he taunted them.
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You’re saying they had probable cause. I can see a reasonable person finding that justifies detaining him, and searching for the suspected contraband, using the minimum force required to do so. There are dozens of replies upthread explaining how what was done was in no way “minimum force”.
(Tl;dr if you can’t be bothered to read upthread: an example of “minimum force” is to detain him until he takes a dump, which quite obviously will happen eventually.)
I simply can’t see how a reasonable person could agree the procedure that was performed could be justified by the circumstances, even if one accepts the cops’ version at face value.
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NOTICE TO ALL REPUBLICAN MEN: Who wouldn’t consent to a little bit of anal probing if they got nothing to hide?!
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Agreed. The definition of rape is non-consentual penetration.
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Wow, that adds an extra layer of disgusting to the whole story.
