That’s the basic point most of us are getting to; yet there always seem to be some people who are overly willing to look for excuses for bad behavior.
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Because this is, or should be, a discussion board and not an indiscriminate firing squad, and because I was interested to learn, on looking it up, that the “first do no harm” that many of us think of as being a thing (and which you posted in rather large letters), actually isn’t.
This assault that took place on this citizen’s rights and body is appalling, but trying to figure out how our system made this possible is not the same thing as advocacy for the Devil. I was pretty shocked that some of the doctors were willing to go along with this, and while I would like to think that they should have refused on the grounds of basic human decency, I’m also surprised to have learned in the course of this thread that neither their oath nor the AMA ethics code contain language that would have required them to refuse.
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Doctors, like many of us, tend to be ornery cusses when it comes to being ordered to do something against our better judgement. This is why I am actually shocked that they got someone to go along with this. Generally speaking, ethics are exceptionally difficult to legislate, and leaves us with our own moral compass to go by. In this instance, at least 2 docs had one. 1 seems to have been lacking, either in compass or spine.
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Has anyone here been shot with a firearm, let alone a whole arsenal of them?
If not, then please spare me the needless hyperbole.
You have my sincere sympathy that you’re still figuring out what poor, marginalized and oppressed people have always known via personal experience, (whether we wanted that information or not.)
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the people who built our system in the first place made this possible. Nothing passive or accidental about it. The choices made years ago continue to echo down through the decades and will continue to until we all push for wide, sweeping, humane changes.
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It’s a well documented history at this point. None of this is a mystery, even if some people want to ignore that history or pretend it’s not nearly as well documented as it is. If we could all get on the same page and accept that history, maybe we could finally work towards changing the system.
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I don’t see how this is helpful when addressing the particular question of what the failure was here. Marking it down to general system failure is operationally equivalent to throwing up one’s hands and saying, “nothing to be done”.
We’re never going to fix racism without fixing racism, but meanwhile, we can try to patch our processes to try to prevent specific types of incidents.
In that this entire event doesn’t exist in a historical or cultural vacuum, that the institutions that we live within were made by people, and are changeable by people.
And that’s what I’m suggesting we do, look at the long term history, see how these institutions were built, and go about the business of fixing them. We’ve been “patching” for a good long while, and at some point, we really DO need to get serious about them.
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I can’t disagree with this, though the prospects look worse today than they have at any point in my lifetime. (And, given that I’m rather older than the Civil Rights Act, that says a lot.)
Thank you.
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