Take the impossible "Literacy" test Louisiana gave black voters in 1964

You could fill in the seventh zero, making it a decimal point.

Ah, but that’s the beauty of that question. It says

Cross out the number necessary, when making the number below one million.
10000000000

The number on the test is 10 billion. If by “number” you take it to mean “digit” as I think most people taking this would have, there is no digit that meets the requirement. You could cross out 0000, which most would consider four numbers, but if you think you are only allowed to cross out (to be very clear here) one instance of one digit, the only correct way to answer it seems to me to be to read it the sneaky evil way and cross out the one.

Or maybe you ARE supposed to cross out 0000 and they just wrote “number” instead of “numbers” to rob people of precious time and further demoralize them as they take this thing.

It definitely seems to be designed make it very clear to the taker that :nobody: wants them to pass.

I did not at any time argue that the test was fair, or that it was delivered appropriately or in any kind of reasonable manner, or even for a decent purpose. I merely argued the actual questions weren’t really that obscure. Really. Get over it. I’m no racist. You need another scapegoat. Hell - my own family isn’t even nearly all white.

Seriously, I have to think that education must have changed considerably. And if modern grammar is any evidence, then it has most definitely changed! If I hear one more ‘bored of’ or ‘excited for’, I may turn into an internet grammar nazi yet - though I would hate to be that. For one thing, living languages DO change over time. Although that stuff is truly annoying and just sounds like some messed-up ESL chatter. Maybe, it’s true that what Medievalist and I see as pretty ordinary has become some mysterious thing? I would hate that, but I’m prepared to accept that it may be true. Maybe it was the dino-poo?

But, take the ‘Spell backward, forward’ question. I read it simply, based on the comma placement. Another way to say it would be, ‘spell backwards, and btw, spell it forward’. The comma tells us what the main statement is, the phrase after that modifies or expands on the the first phrase. Sure, it should have had some single quotes to designate the word intended - but those weren’t always used very rigorously. Rule of thumb is that a well-formed phrase can generally stand alone as a complete sentence. ‘Spell backward’. There’s only one thing to do, and only one thing to do it with. What I don’t understand, is why that’s such a complicated thing?

I guess if I’m as stupid as I’m being accused of being, at least I could cry all the way home to tell my parents I made the honor roll. But I won’t, because it would interrupt me laughing at being called a racist.

I wouldn’t call Wikipedia you best source on that. The term is found at least as early as April 19, 1755, i the Court of Pleas and Quarter in Rowan Cty, NC. That document refers to a son of John and Hannah Austin. Their sons were born between 1720 and 1726, and at least 2 were previously listed as Melungeon in the census in VA. If you want the exact census date, I’d have to dig farther, as the pile of documentation is pretty massive.

In this case, the mother was a Saponi Indian, the father of English extraction. They later moved into NC, where she managed to acquire a fair amount a personal property and was a slave owner. More recently, one descendant was actually kicked out of a UK-based single-family study group for having tested with the a1b1a1 haplotype - which is specific to Africa, they claimed he must be of at least partially African heritage. But since then, a survey published in England found that this type occurs very rarely there - but always along Hadrian’s Wall - apparently via one of the Roman soldiers brought in to guard the wall. He may have been from southern Tunusia or Morocco, where that type is also common. The ‘Melungeon’ designation was separate - given because the sons were half Native, and this is well-documented in other court proceedings.

To be designated even as a Native at that time in history was a risk. The move into NC fixed the problem for good, though Hannah Austin not only never hid her race, but actively worked in a diplomatic capacity amongst the local warring tribes, and needed court-issued passports in order to do so.

Is that proven enough for you?

At that time, may have depended on whether they intended to vote. But that’s obviously not your question. I almost think you’d rather know how long it would take you to get me to concede that racism did indeed exist, and do so to your personal satisfaction. To which, I would say, don’t hold your breath.

Actually, I do. I’m a genealogist. I keep that kind of stuff. Found it in my mother’s stuff, because moms keep that kind of stuff, too.

Incredibly not interested in whatever your sense of my responses may be. Initially, I commented on a test. Just, the test itself. The words on that paper. Not more, not less. And yep! You flew right over my head in a fit of …something or other. I’ll leave it to you to work that out.

Exactly so. Thank you Medie.

It’s interesting that you say this with such confidence without the answer sheet near by.

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Your comments get more and more obtuse the more you leave. It’s like Sheldon is now named Alice. Just because you’re “logical” doesn’t mean you’re making any sense.

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Hey, here’s a nice tip: use the “quote reply” button to consolidate multiple short replies into one post. They’ll all get a “n replies” entry on the bottom, and you only make one post.

It’s fine to make separate posts for the larger texts, though.

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A difference in the mechanics and resulting efficacy, sure.

But it’s the same people trying to oppress/suppress the same other people.

You could not pass it. Give me your answer to one question (you can pick) and I will show you the error.

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That’s an important piece of the puzzle.

I once worked as a poll worker – in California in (I think) 2002, not in Louisiana in 1964, of course. That said, I found it surprising the degree to which poll workers were expected to make subjective decisions about how to implement the procedures and explain it to voters, and how much was left to the authority of the poll captain, who was, like the other poll workers, a volunteer.

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I’m glad you chose to expand upon your “mobsters” against Southerners narrative above. An elaboration was in order. I still don’t buy such a simplified view. In all that unnecessary information you didn’t even bother to mention the Southern Strategy or that many Northern Democrats generally were in favor of civil rights. Enough so that they went and marched (and sometimes died) for it down South. I think you’ve got an axe to grind that maybe needs reexamining…

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People have a serious misunderstanding of what the major US parties are and how they operate. They are not democratic; they are not organized around representing the views of the voters who register as members. They are apparatuses for raising funds and coordinating election campaigns. Effectively, the parties are providing services to their financial contributors; the primary service is government policy; and to provide their services, they have to spend money on attracting voters, to vote for politicians. So the parties have to position themselves to attract voters, and it’s that point where the will of voters is considered. Voters do not drive the process.

Lest you think that the political parties stand for their formal platforms, chosen by delegates who represent the rank-and-file voters, consider when Mitt Romney directly contradicted the Republican Party platform statement on abortion, or when the Democratic National Committee forced through an amendment to its platform regarding the capitol of the State of Israel, despite the lack of support from delegates. The party leaderships do not answer to the delegates.

It’s interesting to study the twists and turns of the political strategies of the major political parties. But do not mistake the superstructure for the base.

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You know, this explains conservative support for No Child Left Behind as well as the USA’s falling in world academia in one fell swoop.

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Yes. And you can say fucking too.

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There’s actually some reasonably priced real estate toward the center of Long Island but it’s just amazingly white here. I’ve always lived in more integrated areas in the South except when I lived in Wilmington, NC, which is one of those places where the races hardly mingle as far as neighborhoods. A lot of the Northerners here look down their noses at the South like they are all racists and yet, to my eye, it seems darn easy for them to be all superior since they are even more segregated than the South and so avoid black people altogether.

Having lived in integrated neighborhoods, it’s not as easy as everyone would like to pretend; I’ve witnessed a lot of racial strife, both overt and not so overt - had my stepkids treated meanly by black kids in the neighborhoods and watched a whole neighborhood community turn against a black, once beloved neighbor. You have to be willing to put up with a certain amount of tension, in my experience. I understand why its easier to segregate than to live together. At least in the South there is a conversation going on about civil rights; I never hear people talk about it up here.

That’s probably why I referenced Wikipedia as an example of a well-known source that seems to have passed on an inaccurate fact.

You haven’t proven anything. You’ve made claims. At least I included a link to one newspaper article. I’m also a genealogist, and know from my fellow genealogists (who would LOVE to find that kind of documentation) that there aren’t written documents with that word on them in the 1700’s, let alone the 1600’s. Somehow you’re the only person to find a treasure trove of written proof for your claim. So scan one of those census reports into your computer, download it to a photo-sharing website, and provide us with a link so we can see what you’re talking about.

If you really do have a stack of documentation regarding the use of that term in the 1600-1700’s, I would be the first person to beg you to make them available online for other researchers. It’s incredibly valuable information that should be shared, if it’s real.