No one is going to tell me when I can and cannot have access to my child. No exceptions.
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Then donāt put them in a public school and expect that school to have control over who ELSE can see your child. See, parents around here are afraid of the homosexual pedophiles, so they donāt let their kids walk to school. Theyāre afraid of bullies, so they donāt let them ride the bus. Theyāre afraid of the other side of the family in divorce cases (around 30% of the parents here are single parents or in some kind of custody agreement.)
All this equates to the fact that they want schools āprotectedā from ābad people.ā Protecting a school means having a list of people who can and cannot access kids, and having THAT means you have to have someone to make sure someoneās on the list, and having THAT means you have to wait in line, because the legislature in this blessed farking state has cut the school budget so many times that even coaches are teaching higher mathematics because higher mathematics teachers donāt work for a few K over minimum wage.
So the just of it is that parents try to āgameā the system, so they donāt HAVE to wait in line, or they donāt have to follow the rules. (They still want everyone else to, so their kids can be safe, just not THEM.) Snowflake mentality isnāt a californian thing, itās alive and well here in TN.
And thatās what I bet THIS is. A gaming of the system gone bad.
Now you may disagree with the system, god knows I do. But these very same parents WANT the system because they think if they let their kids walk home from school, some gay guy is going to snatch them up.
True story. I have friends who live across from a school. Theyāre retired, nice old couple. They would wake up, get a pot of coffee in a thermos, and sit out on the front porch and read the paper, sip coffee, talk about plans , and generally watch the rest of us schlubs go to work. No fewer than FORTY parents reported this couple for āscouting out children.ā The police came by, and suggested they take their coffee outside AFTER 9AM.
I referee youth soccer at various middles schools. Every single one of them I have reffed at has instituted a background check on me with the TBI/FBI, and 5 of them have fingerprinted me. Two had me pee in a cup before releasing my check. And this is for a part time, 45 minute game. Iāve been reported to the sheriff three times because āobviously someone in his late 30s reffing youth soccer is up to something.ā We laugh about it.
This whole mess is of the parentsā making, and the school system just tries to keep up with their incoherent helicopter parenting techniques, and often times, it makes the school system look just as bad. But it starts with these parents who are completely out of control.
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I donāt buy in to your premise that these rules exist because of parents fear. They exist because of litigation and insurance. You can try to parent blame here but Iām not buying the gaming argument either.
Here is another take. Someone on the school board had an idea. As they hadnāt had one of those in a while they became excited. So excited in fact that they pushed it down the school boards throats. The problem is that the idea was a bad one. It caused problems for the parents and the children. Rather than play some idiotic game, a parent decided the best thing to do was to just walk to school and pick up their kid. Thatās not gaming the system. Thatās a reasonable reaction to an unreasonable situation.
Meanwhile, some power tripping ass hat decides to arrest the parent for acting in a sane and reasonable manner while refusing to bow to a bad rule written by and idiot and enacted by incompetent buffoons.
Blindly following arbitrary rules for the sake of rule following isnāt a value I want my children to have. If you think yours should, then go ahead - teach them that. Just donāt try to say Iām gaming the system for using judgement rather than a rule book written by petty dictators.
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Nah - donāt even try that with me. Yes, there were racists who objected as well. Their reasoning has nothing to do with the fact that the results have often been far less than optimal and have presented practical problems. Thing is, nobody was protesting that they couldnāt live in a different neighborhood if they wanted to - the case was only about fair distribution of resources within a each school district. It was a clumsy solution to a problem. Instead redistributing resources, fairly, they merely redistributed kids. And nobody thought that would cause logistics problems?
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When we lived in South Carolina, the school my son went to had an insane pick up policy. First, I had to fight just to be able to walk him to school (We lived less than a mile from campus), they wanted him on the bus. But he was in Kindergarten and we didnāt want him on the bus. Regardless, due to safety concerns they did not want us walking, then I was not allowed to walk into school, a safety officer met me at the corner of the School and brought my son in.
When it came time to get the kids from school, again I had to fight for permission to get him without a car, and then they had a safety officer again come out with my son and give him to me. At no point was I allowed on campus without a full background check and fingerprints on file, which I thought was ridiculous and refused to do it (which is a whole other tangent).
However, if I did not pick him up in person the other way to collect your children were to wait in a line of cars, with your last name and your childrenās name, grade, and teacher on a piece of paper given to you by the school that needed to remain visible in your windshield. Then they would individually call into a walkie-talkie for your child to be escorted out and delivered to your car. People would line up an hour or so before school got out just so they didnāt have to wait later.
I am very glad we moved as I was getting ready to just throw the towel in and homeschool.
All the same, I swear to God that I knew this was your post before I glanced to the left and saw your name with it.
Meh - the racism troll got old ages back. If you want to take shots at me today, try something new. Maybeā¦conversing?
What do YOU think is causing these types of problems?
Why, do you get that a lot?
As far as whatās causing the problems, I wouldāve guessed something like ābuilding a new school on an inadequate roadā way, way, way before I came up with āending natural segregation.ā As the white parent of black kids, I guess Iām closed-minded about phrases like ānatural segregation.ā
(EDIT for misplaced modifier)
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Someone is.
Donāt be a dick and clip the sheriffās quote like that, BB. He didnāt even say what you quoted him saying, the local news said it for him.
As the video shows, Howe was arrested by Aytes for disorderly conduct. Deputy Aytes tells 6 News heās unable to comment because this is an open case. Cumberland County Sheriff Butch Burgess says he hasnāt seen the video and doesnāt need to, because it wonāt tell the whole story. He says Aytes was just doing his job.
āThe resource officers are there to enforce the law,ā Burgess said.
The sheriff says he agrees with Howe on principle. Both men say the new policy is creating safety concerns, mainly because there is line of cars that along the highway outside of the school. Burgess says parents should take any policy concerns to those in charge of the policy, not the school resource officer.
āOn the other hand, the school system needs to realize you canāt make a black and white law,ā Burgess said.
āIf not for policy, we would have chaos, and we donāt need chaos at the schools, but we also donāt need an over zealous deputy setting an example in front of kids,ā Howe said.
We were unable to get in contact with school officials for comment on the issue. The sheriff says heās reviewing the system and will make recommendations this week as to what changes should be made to ensure student safety.
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Thereās something that seems to be a simple way to solve this, and a couple of other problems.
Anyone that picks up their kid at school has to pay a fee. If they take the bus or walk, no fee. Parent comes to pick their kid up in non-extraordinary circumstances, they get charged (monthly, yearly, whatever). New source of income, gets rid of some of the congestion.
That sounds kind of absurd to me. All of those parents out there have a lot of different schools of thought, and whether a parents want their kids to ride the bus or whether they want to pick their kids up themselves, I donāt think they ought to be penalized for it.
What weāve got now is tragedy of the commons. All the parents coming to pick up the kids just plain doesnāt work.
I cant get past this thing with having cops in a school. Is crime so bad in the land of the free that you need cops(presumably armed) guarding the schools ? Totally absurd.
Usually, school resource officers (at least in my area) arenāt really guards. They sometimes work with recidivist students, or in areas like my hometown, with serious drug presence, they can be someone for students to talk to, either if they are in trouble, or if they have something illegal that they feel the police should know about.
Choice of adjective depends on the race of the victim?
No. It was a thing for about a minute, like most troll things.
And as a multi-racial member of a multi-racial family myself and parent to more, I would suggest that being closed-minded may not be in our own best interests if we donāt want inflict the idiocy of the past on our own kids. Weāre here now.
The meaning I intended was that because the neighborhoods in some areas tend to be primarily populated by one race or another, a self-selected and usually voluntary form of segregation occurs. Sending the kids to the neighborhood school results in a ānaturalā tendency for the schoolās demographic to follow the neighborhood as well. The argument before the Court was that the funds contributed by all homeowners in the district were not being distributed proportionately. The Court agreed this was so.
As I stated previously, their āsolutionā was clumsy and caused other problems. Forcing kids away from their neighborhood schools is punitive, and smacks of the old Indian schools here kids were forced out of their own communities to make them āassimilateā. I think very differently about it. Itās your kids and your tax dollars, as and far as Iām concerned, you have every right to demand parity in your local school, and should have it. Not so terribly far back, if you wanted a school at all, you had to get with your neighbors and go build it and then run as you saw fit. Since the federal government got in the game, literacy rates have not only not improved, but many schools have consistently declined even further and parents have even less to say about it. Thereās a huge difference between āseparate but equalā and an enforced cluster - but either way, the Court blew it both times.
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Yeah, itās usually absurd. Not in the particular instances JonasEggeater mentions, but in mostā¦closest thing I know of was a friend who wasnāt a cop or guard. She was a campus Narc - but she was there actually helping the kids rather than trying to punish anyone for anything, like he said.
And if you think thatās creepy, finding cops and guards at the unemployment offices, Social Security, and welfare offices should really make you sick. Because thereās always that nagging question - what so they DO in this office that makes security a necessity? They donāt dispense cash or goods there - just people at desks answering questions and handling paperwork. (So far, I havenāt seen a single answer to the question that isnāt both shocking and utterly disgusting.)
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The difference being that he was reacting to a protest and this guy was not doing anything wrong, whatsoever. Not making excuses for that Pike asshole, though.
There are frequently news stories of southern law enforcement overstepping their legal rights and if it makes you sad that it colours how people think about those states then tough shit. It may be confirmation bias on my part but I stand by my contention that thereās and over-representation of southern law officers who are officious assholes who overstep their legal rights and frequently mislead or lie to detainees to extract confessions.
[quote=āteapot, post:120, topic:14614, full:trueā]It may be is definitely confirmation bias on my part but despite my understanding of what confirmation bias is, and in defiance of reason, I stand by my contention that thereās and over-representation of southern law officers who are officious assholes who overstep their legal rights and frequently mislead or lie to detainees to extract confessions.
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Fixed that for you.
Oh, hey. Oscar Grant?
What about stop-and-frisk? The single biggest enshrinement of officious assholes overstepping their legal rights in the nation today?
ListenāIām not saying that Southern cops arenāt officious assholes who overstep their authority. Iām saying the South hardly has a corner on that market.
