Yeah but only one of those sides is armed…
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At some point in the original discussion this split from, the talk was about how to counter that balance.
An aspect of “gun ownership” debate which I suppose is unique to the left is that not all leftists believe in or practice ownership of personal property in the first place. So most models of firearm licensing and registration are already a problem for framing the issue from a propertarian position.
A more egalitarian and efficient practice might be to work from the basis of weapons being communal property just like other tools such as vehicles and farm implements.
I propose starting a charity to arm these people. Provided of course they pass the mental health checks.
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I read this linked to from a commie subreddit; the author imparts relatively little information that isn’t obvious, and makes a snidey remark every second sentence.
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Surely a co-operative would be more in-keeping with the ethos of the people you’re talking about?
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Gotta start somewhere.
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I think you’re conflating personal property with private property. Unless a gun is being used to extract surplus labour value from others (which I guess is a possibility), then it would be personal property; very few Leftists are against that - maybe a few hippie-commune types who never understood the distinction?
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Speed limits that are perfectly sensible for trucks and half-asleep car commuters make no sense when applied to my motorcycle.
One of the trade-offs involved in living in a rule-of-law society is that sometimes regulations need to be targeted at the lowest common denominator.
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Unfortunately, we can’t actually regulate and register assholes.
What? Are you serious? You have some sort of super power that makes you an awesomer pilot at higher speeds? Or are you immune to the increased dangers that highers speeds entail?
I do, because that is the usage I usually encounter. Where I am, people refer to whatever is in and around their home as being “private property”. This is what you describe as personal property, but there is some overlap with very limited collective property of a nuclear family.
My point was not speculation about how many people it might be, it was to put forth that other models of “ownership” are required. I prefer communal property, but FWIW don’t consider myself a hippie - I am not sure how that distinction might be relevant.
For example, my municipality does have an arsenal for protection of the community, but they consider it “government property” rather than “public property”. But it is not difficult to posit having a town arsenal for truly public use. Too many firearms (as well as most things which are manufactured) exist redundantly as personal property because they are so seldom needed. With distributed/communal ownership we could get away with probably 5%-10% of the manufacturing and materials of having redundant things in each home which are usually not in use.
The push for everything being personal/household property has been to divide people and stimulate bogus economic growth under an industrial-age model of creating markets of jobs, products, and finance for their own sake. The very basic fundamental underpinnings of the economic models most people take for granted are bass-ackwards, being based upon supply and demand as personal problems rather than ecological ones. It’s about managing real-world resources, not competing over what a given individual decides they need.
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Oh, well, that’s a shame then because arguing about 18th century geopolitics is my idea of a good time.
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We do. It is called a “birth certificate.”
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I wasn’t familiar with an asshole check box on those… then again I gave mine to my Mother in Law for her to try to get dual citizenship for my kid, so I can’t check to make sure they don’t have one.
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It is assumed.
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<— Jew, far-leftist, and multiple-gun owner.
We do exist, just sayin’
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So happy to see the identification in that order!
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But the system can be awfully inefficient. In California where we have mandatory FFL involvement with the CA DOJ to run checks, we made it part of the law to cap the fee so that the fee isn’t an undue burden that encourages a black market. At the same time, there are plenty of FFLs who never want to do transfers due to the capped fee because all it is is MORE volumes of paperwork that take time out of their more profitable enterprises and puts them at risk of making a mistake and losing their license (because their records get heavily audited) for a lousy $20.
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The ethical justification for the restriction of liberty involved in speed limits is that reckless drivers impose unjustifiable risks onto other motorists.
That calculation changes with the weight of the vehicle. Ek=½mv²; my bike weighs 170kg.
Fucking up in a truck or car is highly likely to kill innocent bystanders; fucking up on a bike is extremely unlikely to kill anyone except for the motorcyclist. This is one of the major reasons why I got into bikes in the first place; I wanted to ensure that the consequences of any fuck-ups I might make were focused upon myself instead of others.
If I take my bike up the Old Road (traditional Sydney sportsbike playground, twisty low-traffic forest road) at 180km/h, I create a very small risk for myself, and a microscopic risk for others. If I were to do the same thing in a truck, I would create a very large risk for a substantial number of people.
As for superpowers…I’ve got twenty years worth of daily urban motorcycle commuting, plus some track time, plus a fair bit of dirt bashing, plus about 50,000km worth of desert touring, all without a single collision or injury. So, yes; I’m substantially better at this than most car drivers. I’d be dead if I wasn’t.
But there are plenty of above-average car and truck drivers out there as well. However, the sensible ones realise that it is not practical to write traffic laws that allow for individual variation in driver skill; by necessity, they need to be pitched towards the lowest common denominator.
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The NRA training programs are HUGE. The number of students taking those classes is gigantic. Almost every single instructor out there is NRA certified. The NRA is also highly intertwined with a lot of law enforcement training and certifications.
Yes it is outreach, but to say it is some type of smoke screen is not looking at the number of man hours put into educating gun owners on safe practices.
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