No one has mentioned The Culture series?
Iain M. Banks kinda thought through all of this.
No one has mentioned The Culture series?
Iain M. Banks kinda thought through all of this.
I said “could” not “would” If “bots of plenty” dropped out of the sky capable of satisfyingly all human material needs at no cost, the “round up the bots of plenty” order would go out immediately
More likely is that AI will be used to pamper the wealth and opress the rest of us. Just like all other technologies developed during the period of human history known as capitalism has done.
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the only reason this is getting any attention at all
Grimes was famous already before she met Elon
AI is a tool. Saying AI can revolutionize farming and make it more equitable isn’t much different from saying that plows can be used to revolutionize farming and make it more equitable. People are in charge of the tools; people tell AI what to do and what properties to optimize. If the same people remain in charge, the only change that will be brought from better AI is that resources are exploited for their personal gain faster.
People today can change things to make the world more free and more equitable. Waiting around for some new tech to come along and magically do it for us is bullshit. You want a tool to bring change, how about a more traditional one
For those that don’t feel like watching the TikTok, here’s an analysis:
"Let’s be real, enforced farming is really not a vibe.”
Not to mention STNG’s “Measure of a Man” and Piercey’s “He, She, and It”
But I’m glad to see some more references I’ve missed!
But contribution to the collective is what communism is all about, right? And what about maintenance? And if future AI is sentient enough to manage itself, aren’t we basically exploiting its labor?
We just design the AI so it enjoys being exploited, then everyone gets what they “want”.
Are a lot of communists resisting AI?
Communism is many things, and there are a lot of communists who would resist a return to Marxism-Leninism or other authoritarian forms, in favour of a modern version of anarcho-communism or libertarian-Marxism.
Even if Musk and Grimes are sincere in their statements about communism and socialism (and I don’t think they are), they support the authoritarian views. They need AI for centralized control. AI and Farming from those two sounds a lot like cyberpunk Maoism. No thanks! I think I will stick to reading Murray Bookchin and Peter Kropotkin.
I haven’t seen anything about this from the Institute of Social Ecology yet, and they would be among the first people I would trust to make a coherent statement about Communism, AI and Farming.
AI is a tool. Saying AI can revolutionize farming and make it more equitable isn’t much different from saying that plows can be used to revolutionize farming and make it more equitable. People are in charge of the tools; people tell AI what to do and what properties to optimize. If the same people remain in charge, the only change that will be brought from better AI is that resources are exploited for their personal gain faster.
The problem is that if AI is self aware, able to express itself and can adapt to it’s environment then AI is slavery. The Turing Test isn’t a solution, as there are humans who fail it because of mental disabilities and illness.
Oh, I knew I’d heard Grimes’ name somewhere before. Hilda is, indeed, wonderful. I liked that it channelled something of Tovs Janson’s fey creepiness.
The problem is that if AI is self aware, able to express itself and can adapt to it’s environment then AI is slavery.
Here’s a good read about that. The reviewer writes at one point, The word “robot,” it bears noting, originated in Karel Cˇ apek’s R.U.R. and comes from the Czech robota, meaning “forced labor.”
Kazuo Ishiguro looks at the world through a robot’s eyes – Dennis Lim
Ignorance posing as insight.
The Rich aren’t into sharing, even if it’s free. The day after AI can fulfill all our needs for free, they’ll start being very concerned about controlling the population. They are going to look around and say “Do we really need all these other people? What are they good for, after all?”
I understand what she has in common with Musk now.
if AI is self aware
It’s not, though, and there’s no reason to think it ever will be. It’s computer software, no more an intelligence than a corporate person is actually a person or turf grass is actually grass.
I don’t see any difference between saying if AI is self aware then its slavery and if a corporation is a person than disbanding it is murder
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They need AI for centralized control. AI and Farming from those two sounds a lot like cyberpunk Maoism.
Cyber-Maoism is just boneless Fordism. All joking aside, I’m just frustrated by the idea that technology is all we need to improve our society when in practice it takes systemic changes in our views of other people and how we afford them material autonomy among other things. So to think just making a better spoon or some other device doesn’t square with history. I think Grimes and company would be better served reading Lewis Mumford about how technology has been co-opted to support older less efficient modes of production and Ivan Illich about overadoption of technology can lead to disutility rather than fantasizing about some digital messiah. Techno-utopianism is incoherent and dangerous.
I’m just frustrated by the idea that technology is all we need to improve our society
I think Grimes would also not vibe on forced being equal to people.