270 to win polling. Pre election night polling FYI.
232 306 actual
201 204 predicted
MOE = 20-30 pts = (50)/2 = 25 on avg
232 - 25 = 207
306 - 25 = 281
Like CNN, MSNBC, the cook political report, Face the Nation, and Meet the press said; the polls weren’t that far off with MOE included.
As much as I hate to say anything positive for Trump in any context, what poll are you looking at for barely 30%? Per the 538 average (which I tend to go with because it evens out pollster population assumptions) just over 40% of the American public are currently causing me a deep and abiding despair.
You realize this is complete nonsense, right? She won the popular vote by 3 million. That’s how unpopular she was. And you seriously think a Jewish socialist would have cakewalked into the presidency? It’s just silly at this point to make these claims or to suggest Hillary was a weak candidate. No one – including Trump – thought he had a chance. Something happened – perhaps the “he can’t possibly win” aspect made people vote other than Hillary or to sit home. Who knows. Once the Mueller report is out I guess we’ll find out if the whole Russia thing was a factor.
Since Trump hijacked Bernies supporters and the supporters who voted for him in the primary voted for Trump in the general? Yes Bernie would’ve won. Can’t be stated enough. Hillary was a terrible flawed candidate and hopefully she’ll give you advice on how to win, if you can afford her speaking fees Jk.
Sure, that’s great.
Next, who do you think wins: ’97 Chicago Bulls vs the ’87 Lakers in an NBA Finals with 1970s court equipment?*
*No Bugs Bunny allowed.
Because that’s how relevant that seems to Bernie running in 2020, since he can’t re-run against Hillary Clinton. Which is the problem, and I’ve said it before… When 2016 came, Hillary was excited she wouldn’t have to run against Obama. And people are acting like Bernie’s got a clear lane now that he doesn’t have to run against Clinton…
Except Bernie doesn’t have to deal with being connected to Henry Kissinger or pharmaceutical companies during a health crisis or giving speeches to said companies when people are losing their sons or daughters to opioid addiction I.e. Legal synthetic heroin. Bernie does not equal Hillary Clinton. Bernie also doesn’t have to account for voting to start the war in Iraq which created a power vacuum that formed ISIS. Nor does he have to justify scandals connected to his families foundation. Nor does Bernie have to deal with running previously and losing. Considering he was cheated out of running as a Democratic Presidential candidate by the scandalous Clintons that purchased the DNC and in thus the Democratic nomination. He also doesn’t have to talk about how he was against the Civil Rights Act and LBJ instead supporting Barry Goldwater who would’ve more than likely started a nuclear holocaust with the then Soviet Union. Bernie was then and is now on the right side of history. You can’t latch onto teflon dude lol.
Ha ha, well said.
In all seriousness, how many people whom you speak with on a daily basis are liberal/conservative?
Because while most of the people I count as friends range in the pretty far left end of the spectrum, I am surrounded by a lot of right wing voters. The single most common thing I keep hearing outside the MAGA true believers is “I really didn’t like Trump, but there was no way in hell I could vote for Clinton”.
I think pretty much everybody on this board will agree that most, if not all, of the criticism of Hillary Clinton is undeserved. But what I can’t for the life of me get over is the goddamned ignorant hubris of people being able to say “she’s been the victim of an unprecedented 40 year smear campaign, but I’m sure that won’t affect her electability.”
As far as Bernie, though, 40% of this country is registered as independent. Most of them lean left, but don’t trust establishment politicians. I think that’s a pretty serious edge. At least I did at the time. At this point, I’m pretty sure the Clinton contingent of the Democratic party would burn the place down before they threw their support behind him. My money is on Warren this time around. I think Bernie is better in a supporting role these days.
nope. if he ran 3rd party he’d be pilloried for splitting the vote, and when he enters the primaries they whine he’s “not a democrat”. i thought neoliberals loved marketplaces of ideas? 
but it was her turn
it’s not hillary’s fault that she is an INVOLUNTARY CIVILIAN because the so called “voters” only like jerks and not nice candidates
Yup, this. Though I hesitate to bring it up in a discussion of a culturally Jewish politician, especially one of a certain age (and, well, to do any further relitigation of 2016), “As di bubbe volt gehat beytsim volt zi gevain mayn zaidah.”
That is, “If my grandmother had balls, she’d be my grandfather.”
yep… went over my head.
it just that i see it written and argued so often.
Kindly refrain denigrating mesomorphs through association.
who knows? maybe the polls were right!
we know people were turned away because of lines, broken machines, voting id changes, etc. and we know the margins were close in some keys states - states with e-voting and no paper trails.
in other countries with questionable voting rights practices, independent polls are sometimes used to determine if there’s a problem with the votes. here we just assume it’s the independent polls that were wrong. ( magic! )
it’s kind of horrible to say, but without paper trails, without forensics of the machines, without even recounting auditing what we do have – how can we really be sure some countries weren’t tipped artificially?
and the answer is, we can’t. ( thoughts and prayers is all we got. )
https://www.chronicle.com/article/Professor-Who-Urged-an/239304
“That fact”? The fact that Bernie MIGHT have won? LOL.
Bernie on the “right side if history”? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.
What’s his voting record on guns?
Wanna check his voting record on imposing sanctions against Russia and their Oligarchs?
How’s his record on stopping sexual harassment within his own campaign?
Google how he voted on Bill Clinton’s “tough on crime” Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994 or his vote allowing police to acquire tanks and armored vehicles.
Wanna know how he voted on Clinton’s intervention in Libya, the war in Afghanistan, or on multiple funding measures to maintain the war in Iraq?
Your support of Bernie seems based on very little other than blind allegiance.
So then don’t split the vote. Do the hard work of building coalitions, helping down ballot candidates, raising money for the party you wish to run under. Bernie, until just the last 2 years of his multi-decade political career did NONE of that and still only begrudgingly does some of it. Bernie is about Bernie. Every other Dem in the race has spent years helping the larger party.
Sanders’ financial policy goals and overarching moral philosophy align with an America that I’d be proud to live in. Whatever it takes to get us there is what I’m willing to put effort to. It might not be a Bernie presidency in 2020 but at least he’s bringing these important conversations to the fore.
She’s busy supporting Trump’s lies in an attempt to start a war in Venezuela.
https://twitter.com/repshalala/status/1104803615611457537?s=21
Regarding that bridge:
The fact he had a higher probability of winning because of his electoral map and he’s the most popular senator in the entire US (includes all parties) still is lol.
