The "transactional love economy"

Stars and stripes is excellent for 120 bpm.

Another neat musical trick, want to sing a seventh? Just remember the opening of the original Star Trek theme.

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And I said that someone who denies (for whatever reason) that human behaviour is of course not determined, but certainly informed by our animal ancestors, to a degree that the individual is usually not aware of, is not only denying scientific evidence but flat-out living in denial.

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My high school orchestra teacher had a whole bunch of those for interval ear training, including Star Trek:

Octave- somewhere over the rainbow
Seventh- star trek
Major Sixth- NBC theme
minor sixth- can’t remember
fifth- twinkle twinkle
tri-tone- Maria
fourth- here comes the bride

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Sure, that’s one thing you said, but the other is the one that I corrected.

I wouldn’t deny this other thing you said, but I would deny my time to anyone who tries to excuse dog-like, selfish, self-serving human male behavior by harkening back for justification to “our animal ancestors.”

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4 over 3 tempo: Pass The GolDen BuTter

Okay, back to questions where I can’t derail more than I already have.

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@anon15383236, @shaddack, @anon85905360:

This conversation is reminding me of generations of parents admonishing their kids: “You weren’t raised in a barn!”

Anybody who thinks we aren’t just primates with larger brains and certain tweaks is kidding themselves. Still, putting the veneer of “civilized” behavior on it is what I would call a “useful myth”.

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Sounds like you’re okay, then, with men who act like dogs in terms of sexual behavior, and treat women accordingly? If not, then just what is your point in the context of this conversation?

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What? How in heck could you possibly glean that from what I wrote? Why so combative sounding? I’m basically agreeing with you and unshaved weirdo. Geez.

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I’ma ignore the tone policing, thanks.

So you’re saying that there is in agreement with what I’ve been saying? Because it sounds more to me like what you’re saying is that we’re all just animals underneath. Which in the context of this convo is basically parallel to “boys will be boys!”, that is, what a lot of men would say to excuse selfish, dog-like (or monkey-like) sexual behavior and treatment of women. Which is basically the opposite of what I’ve been saying. Anyway, if I’m misreading you, I’d be glad to shake hands and stand corrected.

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Nononono, we’re apes, but we don’t live in denial. That’s crocodiles.

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That’s a leap you’re making, not me. Maybe other people might use that excuse, but I didn’t say anything remotely implying that, and wouldn’t. I thought I was clear enough with the “useful myth” comment- we’re animals, but to everyone’s benefit we pretend we’re better than that. We might be animals, but we’re social animals with an acute sense of social norms, as well as having better self control than the average animal (but not sure about primates, I know they have been shown to be capable of self-control). Hence the “you weren’t raised in a barn” remark (puritanicals and progressives unite!). We might be animals, but socially we’re raised (hopefully) to treat other people in a respectful, civilized manner.

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I have a relationship similar to the ones described in the article, but with a few minor differences.

I met a girl (not online - in the real world) who is completely unlike anyone in my normal life. As we got to know each other, our relationship progressed. One big difference was that I had an income and she didn’t. So sometimes I’d buy her things, or just give her money. Over time, that led to me giving her a regular allowance or stipend.

A big difference from the article is that there was never any sex involved, or desired, by either party. And there was never an “I’ll give you this if you give me that” dynamic. I gave her money as I could (sometimes I couldn’t) and she was there for me whenever I needed someone (except sometimes she couldn’t).

But she boosted me when nothing else could. I was seriously depressed, she led me out of the darkness, through the greyness, and into the light of life. The psychiatrists, therapists, and drugs all tried but failed. Thanks to her, I got a better job, that I enjoy more, making more money and also having more time to spend with my family. She inspired and encouraged me when nothing else could. I can see the light again. To me, that is priceless.

I was trying to help her, but really, she saved me.

The bad part is, there’s no way I can explain that to anyone. They’ll think I was cheating on my wife just for talking to this girl, or they’ll think I’m a schmuck for giving her money, or worse, they’ll think I’m a loser for not getting sex out of it. But I’m happy, she’s happy, anyone who doesn’t like that can fuck off.

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There are a lot of people earning regular income for those kinds of services, so I don’t see why you need to be embarrassed about it. Some people seem to think that your spouse should be able to provide all of your needs, which can be unfair and suffocating. Even if she were charging by the hour for her services and providing results, there would still be people dismissing the real benefit she gave to you and claiming that lack of accredited certificates meant that it wasn’t real.
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Sounds nice for you, but did you hide it from your wife? If so, why?

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Because some things are difficult to explain, perhaps, in the world where jumping to conclusions and then becoming emotional about them is an olympic-level sport?

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Wow, that kind of justification actually sounds all too familiar. In case you didn’t know, being on the receiving end of that kind of manipulative deception is very painful. But as long as you’re getting what you want, who cares, amirite?

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I see we’re on to round two of why its ok to lie to your spouse. Such a common thread for some people here it makes me sad…

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