The #Veep is out: Hillary Clinton chooses Tim Kaine as Vice President

But it’s her turn.

Being a party’s Presidential Candidate should work like deciding who gets to choose the movie tonight with your siblings, that is the most Progressive, Democratic System.

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Apparently HRC is forcing Kaine to reverse his support of TPP

I take this as a sign she has decided that TPP is the biggest weapon Trump has against her, and so has decided to stick to her newfound opposition to TPP for political reasons.

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Look, Corey got taken too soon from Newark, which hasn’t slid into decline but certainly isn’t on the same upward trajectory, don’t take him from the rest of NJ so soon. Christie is looking for a job in another six months.

You should talk to people who live in VA. Everyone I know down there is cool with him.

…or familiar with his work in Atlantic City. There isn’t a single contractor I know that wants him in the White House.

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Anyone Ive met who’s ever worked for or with Trump or in his same circles is of the same opinion.

And these people are starting to turn up in ads, campaign events in news papers. I expect more of that is coming in August

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Yeah, I still don’t understand why he went on record saying that crap. Were his predicted election chances really that slim that he felt the need to concede to Americans’ then-apparent stasis on the issue of marriage equality?

I’m sick of Democrats apparently feeling kowtowed to the Republicans’ command in framing the priorities of national politics. Take charge and reframe them towards a productive national discussion, FFS.

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Well Schultz is out, which is tantamount to an admission of guilt - remember it takes two to collude and the Clinton campaign was on the other end of many of these emails. It really feels like the house of cards is falling in the hours before the convention.

Here’s the thing, The DNC server was hacked by the Russians weeks ago. This release was very carefully timed. Now the Russians would very much like Trump to be president. Don’t be surprised at new revelations in mid campaign cycle. What will the next emails reveal? Collusion for voter suppression? Coordinated vote fraud? Can we really afford to let her roll over this latest scandal as if nothing happened

If she won’t capitulate then Clinton is setting the stage to let a foreign power alter the outcome of our election. And if you don’t agree that this a credible threat you are being naive.

Yup.

See also:

OTOH, an unreliable fair-weather “friend” still beats a homicidal adversary:

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…at least until she’s won the election and someone comes up with the TPP again but under a different name.

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Both Clinton and Kaine have only said that they do not support the TPP “in its current form”.

They’ll move a couple of commas and rush it through immediately post-election.

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Well, sure. So we need to keep fighting against it, and bringing back her words, and pressuring our legislators. Of course, trade agreements are agreements, which means that our trading partners can also nix the agreements. If Australia and New Zealand refuse to sign, there’s not much of an agreement there.

Also, just because Trump says he’s against TPP doesn’t mean he wouldn’t happily sign the same thing with a different name.

In any event, these partnerships are not the end of the world. You know what is the end of the world? The end of the world. Even in the LBJ-Goldwater campaign of '64 bringing up this fear was hyperbolic, but I don’t think it is this year.

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Both Clinton and Trump represent a significant risk of WWIII; Trump more than Clinton, but both unacceptably high.

Both Clinton and Trump represent a certainty of catastophic [1] climate change.

I’m advocating for a Clinton vote, because Trump would needlessly make the next decade even shittier for brown America than it has to be.

But we’re all fucked either way.

[1] And I mean catastrophic. We’ve blown way past the already-too-optimistic boundaries of Kyoto’s 3° target; we’re now charging full-throttle into positive-feedback 10°+ territory. The sort of climate change that is just as civilisation-shattering as a world war.

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VERY interesting article that, unfortunately, seems to come a bit too late - at least for the USA: it can be adapted to France, for example, despite the different political landscapes.

Catastrophic climate change is already happening, but again there is no comparison between Clinton and Trump. Clinton believes in science, Trump does not. With Clinton there is at least some hope of supporting efforts to change things.

@Wanderfound I believe you are from Australia. You recently replaced an insane person as PM with an investment banker. Would you describe your current PM as someone who is going to cause the end of the world? If not, what is he doing that is different from what Obama has been doing, other than being in charge of a smaller country?

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Have to agree with @d_r here. Don’t get me wrong, Clinton will almost certainly continue the drone assassination counter-terrorism program but this strategy itself, I think, reflects a reluctance to engage in full-blown conflict.

The alternative is a real-life Zap Brannigan.

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Contributing to it, yes. Although Australia’s direct national carbon output is miniscule relative to the US, our per-capita contribution is worse. And the mountains of coal we sell to China do even more.

The US and Australian political elites have two factions on climate change: the active denialists (pretty much all of the GOP, about half of the Oz Tories) and the deluded business-as-usual plutocrats. This second faction will publically acknowledge climate science so long as it doesn’t cost them anything, and view the climate response as just another thing to be negotiated with and profited from.

The analogy that I usually use is this: it’s 1936. Half of the ruling class are insisting that Adolph is our friend. The other half are admitting that we might, at some point in the distant future, possibly consider slightly reducing the amount of armaments that we’re selling to the Germans. Maybe raise a brigade or two of militia.

That’s the point: even the part of the political elite that acknowledge the reality of climate change still don’t get it.

The time for urgent action was decades ago; we no longer have the luxury of a gradual decarbonisation of the global energy system. Even if we could magically collapse every coal mine and oil well tomorrow, we’d probably still be fucked due to the residual momentum in the system. If we don’t act immediately, we are certainly fucked.

The risk-vs-delay calculation with climate change is an exponential curve, and we’re now in the vertical part of the graph.

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I don’t think that Clinton will deliberately start WWIII, unlike Trump (who very likely would). But she will continue the already-dangerous existing US policy, with the heat turned up even more.

As I said, less risk than Trump, but still unacceptably high.

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Then it is probably not correct to say that HRC will cause catastrophic climate change. Possibly she will not be able to stop it regardless of her best efforts. I don’t know how to compare that to a Trump not being able to stop it because he doesn’t believe it exists, or to a Sanders who might have made better efforts.

I can see many paths to Ragnarök under Trump which his presidency would be actively involved in. I can also see a few under Clinton, but do not see her as an active agent in the same way.

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[quote=“d_r, post:181, topic:82006, full:true”]
Then it is probably not correct to say that HRC will cause catastrophic climate change.[/quote]

Which is why I never said that.

I believe that it is a virtual certainty that she will fail to deal with it while making no substantial effort to do so, apart from an occasional ceremonial gesture that has no real impact.

Is Trump any better? Of course not. As I said, we’re fucked either way.

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