Think of the Karens

Not a conscious decision, but more of a state of being. Not surprising either. Karens are inherently classist, and what is a bigger indicator of what someone’s class is Supposed To Be than their race?

Did someone actually do this? Not that I would doubt it.


I made that example up but it seemed very plausible to me.

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I’m Black and I’ve asked ‘to speak to a supervisor’ in the past; not as an implied threat or an attempt at intimidation, but because I knew that only someone of higher authority could resolve my issue.


I always thought the classic manager-seeking Karen was created by the carefully crafted service industry standard. Every schmuck is supposed to be a king of McDonalds for the 10 minutes it takes to make their order. But Karens are low level assholes who need to be REAL damned important for ten minutes to some one even if it’s only as “the worst goddamned person I’ve met this week.”


10 minutes!!! Are you kidding me?!? I want to speak to the manager! /s

But to other’s points, there’s a huge difference between the Karen version and the, “oh, I understand you haven’t been empowered to handle this situation, would it be possible to speak to a manager to help find a satisfactory solution without stressing you out any more?”


Sorry, didn’t mean to be a Dick.


Every single time, I swear.


Won’t someone think of all the slurred Karens?

(Sheesh, it’s just another fad. In a few months the whole “Karen” thing will likely blow over.)


(Sheesh, it’s just another fad. In a few months the whole “Karen” thing will likely blow over.)

You say that, but considering that it has its own wikipedia page, I think “karen’ing” people might be sticking around for a while…


Like a friend said a while back, people who act like it’s a slur on par with the f-word or n-word usually see something of themselves in the negative behavior being displayed, and that’s what offends them so.


Except to women named Karen at birth who are nothing like the stereotype, but are ironically demeaned for their parent’s taste in names every time someone uses this slur. Yep. I’m calling it a slur. Its use serves to delight the user at the expense of another human being who didn’t choose her name.


People don’t get called a “Karen” because their name is Karen. So that’s not correct.


Because it has a wikipedia page??

So does “Valley Girl,” but that didn’t last long either, did it.


Your friend may have missed the rules here.

Do not make assumptions as to anyone’s mental state,

Assume good faith and like the good.

I mean well here, as I know three women named Karen who are hurt by this. One isn’t white. None are racist. Yet, they are real people with real feelings. I don’t see a difference between this and other slurs based on something someone was born with and cannot change.
Keeping silent only allows the bad guys to gather strength.

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You mean like, “People who use ‘Karen’ as shorthand to refer to obnoxiously entitled white women obviously are not referring to women who happen to be named Karen”?

That kind of assumption of good faith?


Plainly you don’t. And it’s ok, not everything is obvious to everyone right away. It would be easier to believe you mean well if you had been open to having it explained to you, though, instead of insisting that means it doesn’t exist.


Asking sincerely: how are they hurt by this?
I’m asking because something similar came up earlier on this thread. A poster was saying his wife is named Karen, and imagine if the word that’s always meant “you” came to mean something negative like this. I have a hard time understanding on an emotional level. I mean, I have a name, and if that name ends up being used as shorthand for something negative, I would know when I heard it used in a pejorative way that they weren’t talking about me. Sure, friends might give me a little ribbing, but nothing hurtful.


Because no one is insulting the people named “Karen.” They’re giving other people (obnoxious, self-entitled, usually racist people) the title “Karen,” which is not the same thing.

Consider it this way: If someone were born and the parents happened to name him “Jerk,” should he get offended every time someone called some jerk a “jerk?” No, because they wouldn’t be referring to him. His name just happens to be a homonym of the insult.

I used “jerk” instead of a real name to highlight the difference between the name and the insult, but the same goes of course for actual names like “Dick.” Calling someone a “dick” is not insulting someone named “Dick.”

A “slur based on something someone was born with and cannot change” is specifically about insulting that person, not about calling other people by a word that is the same as someone else’s name.


Not likely, his good standing as a member of the community is probably better than my own.

That said, I’ll kindly reiterate my own thoughts on your deep, intense concern for all the poor Karens out there:

Holler back at me when people name Karen are actually getting jailed, beaten and/or killed just because their name happens to be fucking Karen.