Atwood makes it clear in the original book that a certain subset of reactionary sex-negative feminists co-operated or at least sympathised enough with the Xtianists to bring Gilead into being.
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More like the TERFs had deradicalised themselves, which is why a lot of left wing trans inclusive people call them Trans Exclusionary Reactionary Feminists now.
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Youâre trying to apply rationality to hate.Brennan learned that just recently - she was shocked that they came after cisgender womenâs rights using her trans bashing arguments.
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As noted above, the âradicalâ part comes from their exclusion of transwomen from their backward version of feminism. They believe themselves to be âradicalâ and those of us who arenât bigots disagree.
So, what exactly, are you trying to argue here? You are not being even remotely clear and are coming off as if you are trying to defend people who are bigots? So what are you attempting to accomplish?
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Itâs funny cause she follows me on Twitter (which is horny on main material). So I feel bad for her cause I wish I could flag some posts as NSFW on there. >_>
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It doesnât matter whether anyone who is bigoted against trans folks fits either the label of feminist or radical; just as there is no real difference between the Klan and so called âProud Boys.â Itâs the hatred and attempts to subjugate, marginalize and exterminate trans people that makes them bigots. That was not a question that âjust needed asking.â
O_o
If they happen to dislike being called TERFS, I guess thatâs just too damn bad.
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I know, but the Teen Vogue interview makes it clear that she considers TERFs to be part of that subset.
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I mean, why should we care if a group of people who are openly advocating bigotry are annoyed by accurately calling them what they are? This is like white supremacists asking to be called white nationalists or some other descriptor⌠White supremacist is an accurate description that tells people what you are dealing with, as is TERF, which accurately describes the position of particular feminists. They believe you should radically exclude trans woman from the feminist cause - they describe themselves as radical feminists, to boot. They are therefore, enacting bigotry against trans women in the name of a radical agenda, which is full on bullshit. If a group of feminist starting going on about who women of color should not be included under the feminist umbrella, we would rightly call them racist, because they are indeed racist.
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The question for some - is - which part of the description do you disagree with? Do you not want to exclude trans people? Are you not feminist?
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Personally, if itâs not including trans women, itâs not feminist. Just like itâs not properly feminist if women of color arenât included. My liberation should not be predicated on further oppression of others. Itâs hardly liberation if so.
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Absolutely. But they donât actually disagree with the meaning of the phrase - they just want to attack it to undermine the equality position.
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It makes no sense to me.
For instance, I couldnât care less if it hurts Richard Spencerâs âpoor little fee-feesâ to be called a hate-mongering racist, because thatâs exactly what he is.
THIS, exactly.
Trans rights are human rights.
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That and they want to argue that they are not bigoted, and they think that this term is designed to make them seem like something they believe they are not (which, they are). They DO believe in excluding trans women, because they are bigots, but they still identify as feminists fighting for the rights of women. They want their cake and they want to eat it, too.
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Wll - obviously trans people and their allies are the real bigots.
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I mean, really shouldnât trans people finally help these radical feminists who have spent their lives sacrificing for trans people! How dare they call out their attempts to exclude some women! /s
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Oldest move in the âoppression manualâ:
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The terms people call other people are not always used in perfect accordance with the definitions of the pieces of the terms. For example the Democratic Peopleâs Republic of Korea fits at most one of the words in itâs name.
This is the reason that some are advocating that we start calling these transphobes âFARTsâ instead of âTERFsâ. It stands for âFeminist Appropriating Radical Reactionary Transphobeâ, clearly indicating that these assholes arenât feminists, but rather are using the language of feminism to perform distinctly non-feminist acts.
Edited with a hat-tip to @anon73430903.
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Reactionary
They arenât getting to the roots of anything.
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Thatâs because youâre using a Western Imperialist Dictionary written by the capitalist running dogs at Merriam Webster. If you truly understood Juche, youâd sing a different tune.
