The important thing was that he was the choice in Michigan and Wisconsin. CA and NY did not give us President Trump.
The thing that has changed now is that another candidate that was dismissed as un-electable, more un-electable than Hillary, more of a radical, more of a fringe candidate, more of a curveball, more of an aberration…is president.
The emperor has no clothes. The opinions of experts and operatives about who wins elections and why are shown to be farcical.
So there’s no reason to believe that they were right about Bernie, either.
OK, the exit polls made it less skewed as the final votes in the major battlegrounds favored Clinton.
Based on CNN’s exit polling which is similar to other exit polling I have seen, a similarly sized group of white people voted and across each state there was a swing in Trump’s favor with all of them without a marked decrease in a percentage of minority voters though their numbers are lower from what I have seen. We can at least agree that voter turnout in these key states was not on the below average track the election ended up on. These are all compared with 2012.
In PA:
Trump gains 6 points with white men and Clinton loses 4 points.
Trump loses 8 points with white women and Clinton loses 6 points.
In MI:
Trump gains 6 points with white men and Clinton loses 12 points.
Trump loses 2 points with white women and Clinton gains 6 points
In WI:
Trump gains 3 points with white men and Clinton loses 7 points
Trump loses 1 point with white women and Clinton loses 4 points
I am comfortable saying Democratic votes were bled away from Clinton to other parties. Some of this was sent to the GOP, but it’s not likely from white women. The statistics are also much less dramatic than yesterday with white men, but Trump did make inroads there - 1-3 percent more democratic voters voted for Trump over Clinton versus Romney over Obama.
How so? I’d say the majority of Mexican migrants here without papers are coming because they have few, if any, other options. Borders in general are a technology of social control, meant to keep people out or in some cases, in.
But I can see how it might make a difference for some latino voters, especially more conservatives ones.
Because the third generation Cuban in Miami isn’t emotionally connected to the migrant worker from Mexico. When Herr Drumpf attacks Mexicans he’s not necessarily driving away other Hispanics’ votes. Hispanics are addressed as a block in US politics, but there are deep prejudices and divides that make that a mistake.
? Perhaps my first comment was poorly written. I was agreeing with you it was not an acceptable thing to say, however that doesn’t negate the quote you were replying to. had in your reply.
ETA: I don’t think it’s just the Cuban vote either, I haven’t seen any numbers yet but I would be surprised if it hurt him with the Puerto Rican community either.
You might find that there will be some significant negative changes under Trump. Unfortunately, they will effect us here on the other side of the ocean as well.
And all this because too many Americans thought that there is no difference btw the candidates.
It is not possible to predict at this time, since it’s physically and logically impossible for Trump to deliver on his internally contradictory campaign promises. But yes, it’s probably going to be bad.
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And all this because too many Americans thought that there is no difference btw the candidates.[/quote]
Saying two things are bad is not the same as saying they are identical.
Clinton lost because Democrats stayed on the couch. Trump won because Republicans didn’t.
Democrats ought to be rebelling against their party’s leadership, not against the outcome of a vote. Democracy didn’t fail the Democrats, their party machine did.
"thanks to internet news bubbles created by Facebook and an explosion of reactionary fake news sites. "
everything old is new again. think right wing radio. think yellow journalism, the sinking of the maine, and the spanish-american war.
if it felt like things had changed, it’s because - for a while - the bubbles didn’t exist.
the two major differences today are that a) you can educate yourself if you have the time, energy, and inclination ( of which americans seem to lack at least two. ) and, b) that you can take your bubble with you wherever you go.
part a seems to favor some hope, even if climate denial, brexit, and he who shall not be named intrude.
I do think the current bubbles are different and more extreme, though I can’t fully articulate why the dynamics are different. Part of it is that you can be in a bubble and not even realize it - your news and the opinions of other people are going through non-obvious filters, such that it can create the illusion that this is how everyone thinks. It’s so easy to avoid even coming into contact with dissenting opinions or facts. So people won’t educate themselves because they’re convinced they already are. The fake news thing is new, too - unlike previous eras of yellow journalism, this isn’t even journalism. It’s literally people making up purely fictional “news,” whole cloth because that’s what the new media environment financially rewards. Outside of propaganda, I can’t think of anything that’s worked like that.
i still remember, before obama was elected, some guy carrying around a “biography” of hillary clinton, and when i asked him about it he told me it revealed how corrupt and awful she was, with all the gory details. he didn’t need the internet, just the local bookstore.
i honestly think the right has been working on this since the seventies. fox news existed before the consumer web, as did folks like rush limbaugh: and are both… some people say… guilty of making things up from nothing.
one historic example that might be closest in feel for the democratization of rumor and innuendo you’re noting, could at the start of the states with the pamphleteers.
at any rate, i guess i think that the moment we are in – that we are divided, and with such energy – is much more notable than the technology by which it’s currently being achieved. if it weren’t this technology, it would be some other. almost guaranteed.
people in places from bars to barbershops, street corners to steepled churches have been doing all this literally forever.
Sometimes you tighten a bolt, sometimes you rebuild the engine, sometimes you replace the engine, sometimes you junk the whole thing and buy a new one.
