The polls were taken at each primary. Did you notice the results?
Yes, but you’re still presuming the complainers didn’t vote. How else would that statement make any sense?
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oh, I am sure they can fuck up the election again. maybe transparent envelopes after the last batch had an unsticky glue strip?
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You’re going to paint an entire region of the US with the same brush because of bad data?
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You bet I do, living for 13 years under a Bolivarian government in Brazil.
Isn’t this a contradiction in terms?
But what values are they conserving? Even they don’t seem to agree. I think it’s more accurate to say that the US has become a reactionary country.
Having a “dominant” culture is a terrible idea in the first place. It’s a worldview more concerned with how one is perceived by others than knowing what is happening and making effective decisions, so it really promotes its own irrelevance.
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My learning comprehension must be seriously dysfunctional to parse this article: Let’s clear up some confusion about the superdelegates and Bernie Sanders
Help?
What a load of horse shit. There are times when the choices presented to us are so foul, offend us to such a great degree, and leave us feeling so disenfranchised by the system that we have little option but to abstain from participation in the system. That many choose not to participate or tacitly support such a system does not allow you to disenfranchise them from their own voice. In fact, I would say that the disenfranchised, forgotten, and left behind people of this nation have more business to complain about their choices than anyone else because not only do they have the most to loose, they also have no real voice or representation within or from the system.
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Don’t forget the AP calling the primary (after unofficially tele-polling super delegates) for Clinton the night before California cast a single vote. I hope Clinton supporters outraged about the electoral college right now are equally as disgusted with super delegates.
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Well, this isn’t it, because this is a message board not a public space funded by a government. BB is not a government. If you were flagged and the comment removed, it was because the community here decided that something you said was offensive or out of line in some way. You are certainly welcome here and we’re happy to discuss your views. We’d appreciate it if you did it in a more respectful manner.
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So, no, you don’t have any actual evidence.
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There are times when the choices presented to us
If you all y’all don’t like who’s running, then find someone you do like and convince him or her to run. That’s how it works. Quit it with the conspiracy theories and make it happen.
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Most people don’t seem to find this as ironic as I do. The real inequality is that of influence, of meaningful cultural participation. Whereas “jobs” are basically day-care for grown people to keep them from meaningful activity. A vote for more jobs is a vote for wage slavery. Demanding a government to give you toil for its own sake is creating your own oppression, like digging your own grave with your teeth.
What I said was based on exit polling I saw on TV and bad data suggesting the turnout wasn’t bad, I’ve since said I was wrong 3 times now.
You, working off similarly bad data were coincidentally right. It wasn’t until @cah did all the work that we got here.
I don’t have time for a full response. However, this: I meant, why were the Democrat candidates prevented from participating in other debates during the primary, instead of just the four Saturday ones? Sorry, I thought the context would make that clear.
While I agree with most of this logic, the fact remains that an awful lot of Democratic primary voters still favored Clinton over Sanders. Whatever strings were pulled for Clinton behind the scenes were probably not necessary-- she won by more than 3 million votes, and she won handily in blue states like Massachusetts and California.
And the media is as much to blame (I can understand why they spent so much time following Trump around, even if I disagree with the reasoning, but why wasn’t Sanders worthy of coverage when he was filling stadiums?)
When you have only two powerful political parties, and one has moved so far to the right that it’s courting actual neo-Nazis, then it’s a given that the other party is going to be watered down by a lot of very middle-of-the-road, tepid voters.
Perhaps this will wake up DEM voters and party leadership, and Sanders will be granted more respect (I see now he hasn’t ruled out a 2020 run.)
We did. He did. He was marginalized by the DNC and the media. Did you not pay attention?
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Part of making it happen is the realization that being an insider is a critical weakness, despite the fact that polls will think highly of you.
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Maybe, maybe not. I’m not looking forward to being blamed for Trump, even though I personally didn’t have anything to do with that and did all I could to stop this from happening.
My nerves are a little frayed right now. I’ve been explaining this stuff for so long, as someone who’s there and is experiencing it, and few people paid attention. Now look what happened. It doesn’t surprise me that people are still not paying attention and are saying NUH UH SHE LOST BECAUSE RACISM ONLY RACISM. It’s more complex than that. Way more complex, and I’m one to know.
Everybody handles this differently. Some want to mourn, others want to distract themselves, and I want to do a postmortem. If we understand what went wrong, we can ensure this never happens again. I don’t think anyone can know the real reasons behind this until they reject all the dishonest (not merely wrong, but dishonest) reasons. I’m sorry for making things worse for you by trying to make myself feel better. That wasn’t my intent.
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Some think we can fix neoliberalism through reform and regulation. They believe we can “turn back the clock” to an earlier era, when capitalism worked hand-in-hand with national governments, guided by the wise hand of the state.
Setting aside the question of whether this was ever really the case, it certainly isn’t anymore. Neoliberalism has outmaneuvered democracy the only way it could: by consuming the state itself. Capital is the organizing force of the world now, and it is the reason neoliberalism (the elimination of sovereignty in favor of market imperatives) is winning as an ideology.
Any struggle against neoliberalism is at its core a struggle against the supremacy of global capitalism. That said, if you’re in to markets or whatever, that’s fine. The important thing to recognize is that at this point governments are fundamentally incapable of stopping neoliberalism. The resistance must come directly from the people and it must be based on international solidarity.
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