I envy your optimism, eight years of Bush Jr. suggests otherwise. Chris Christy is likely to have a cabinet position. Let that sink in: Chris Christy.
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Well the US did get rid of a lot of key Nazis… mostly by bringing them to the states and giving them cushy jobs.
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A different world, that’s what. Not a marginally better one.
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I was reviled back in March and April when I openly hoped and warned this would happen. Nobody believed us Bernie voters would jump over to Trump, even though Trump was nailing a lot of the same messages. Anti-TPP, H1B reform, and draining the swamp. The false racism and sexism flags were and still are irrelevant to the Trump vote. He has championed minority rights in the past, promoted women to executive positions based purely on merit, and treats those in his personal life with respect. If you’re going to criticism him based on a few out of context quotes or some locker room banter, you should have been fair and criticized Hillary for the same, or better yet, actually criticized Hillary for some of the real criminal behavior on her part. The Democrats had other choices, but they let corruption rule their selection. Hillary couldn’t even win the primary fairly. It took DNC collusion, media collusion, and actual voter fraud to get her a primary win. We’ve been telling you all that the polls were wrong all along. To see it for yourself you simply had to look at the data. When Hillary favored demographics are drastically oversampled to make her look good, you can’t rely on the poll.
There is still a way forward here. Trump is likely genuine in his desire to put America first and drain the swamp. Help him root out the corruption. Do your research. Vote fresh, clean, republicans and democrats into office. Vote the bad apples out. Vote the money out. Support congressional term limits. With a clean system, we can start to fix things on both sides. Trump is not going to trounce on LGBT rights (which Hillary despised privately). He’s going to leave it up to states. Vote. The Affordable Care Act was beyond saving anyway. Trump won’t give you single payer, but he can clear the slate and you can hope to vote in someone that will give it to you in four or eight years. Vote.
Switching over to the republican side for this election has been a very strange and eye opening experience. I’ve been independent, learning democrat, ever since I was old enough to vote. I always viewed the republicans as uneducated, backwards, and regressive. That element certainly exists, but there are overwhelmingly a lot of good people on that side. Standing side by side with people I’d have looked down on a few years back, I was very humbled. I have a lot of hope for the future now. Most people are good. On all sides. Most people want to make the country great. We’re being played by a corrupt system at practically every turn. Trump is a message. It is defiance against a system that has overwhelming colluded to keep a corrupt administration in place. You might hate Trump, but he is as outsider as it gets. No other outsider would have had the resources and star power to pull a win here. Watch him closely. Call him out if he strays from his promise to drain the swamp. Make that rooting out of corruption the number one issue. We can do this!
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Who’s the next Nader going to be? Johnson and Stein? Could be, but they were hemorrhaging voters toward the end. Sanders? He wasn’t running, but whatevs. Whiny spoiled Millennials for staying home and sulking rather than voting for Hillary? That’s only a stereotype, and is false more often than true, but it sure looks like the new scapegoat the establishment needs. Rah Rah Team Blue failed to understand why people voted third party and blamed everyone but those who actually were to blame: themselves, for 1) fielding a shitty candidate who 2) failed to reach out and instead 3) continued to marginalize those she most needed.
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tone-deaf, aloof, compromised by questionable ethics, in denial and indifferent about grotesque inequality, etc.
[/quote]Literally true for both candidates.
Bernie might have won WI, but I severely doubt it. He probably would carry PA and MI making Trump still win the 270 he needs even if it’s a little closer race. I don’t see Bernie winning all three of PA, MI, and WI. Trump 100% won on the back of the Midwest, and Hillary lost because of Florida.
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Well, if you’ve got a gun, be damned careful around “the institutions of civic society” as well.
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Surely the margins this time are wide enough, there won’t be any silly talk.
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There is always silly talk. It’s a hell of a lot better than straight talk, which is all I and others have been doing for the past 2 years on this subject, and nobody gives a damn.
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You are deluded.[quote=“Lem, post:308, topic:89005”]
Vote the money out.
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My evidence.
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I can’t believe anyone is surprised by this. Trump catered his message to the two biggest voting groups: working class and evangelicals. He promised to create jobs and people immediately followed him. Hillary appealed to the millennial crowd, but they simply don’t vote in effective numbers.
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What is astonishing is this: 59m voters for each candidate, more or less, plus a few millions for third parties. That’s less than 125m, 39%. For the most important election in the land, once every 4 years.
All this bullshit left-right, 1st amendment, pro-choice and blablabla positioning does not win you elections; getting an extra 10 or 20% to the polls, that wins you landslides.
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To be fair, it’s not like we’re the first country to go authoritarian… it’s a general wave in global politics. I’m not a huge fan of David Brooks, but he said that last night on News Hour, and he’s absolutely right there.
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Unless those people are women or black or Muslims or queer or latino or disabled. Then that gets you the white house.
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For eight years everything was “Obama’s fault” according to the typical conservative voter, for the next four years it will be everyone but Trump’s fault.
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Absolutely. But that’s the norm for Republicans. They have built a cult around shitbaggery and obeisance to money and corporatism (I suppose the same could be argued convincingly about the latter and Democrats).
Speculation about Sanders needs to be tempered by the acknowledgement that we have no idea how his campaign would have resonated in those states. But we do know that based on the very short time he was in the spotlight, he had incredible success with a broad range of voters.
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I promise they aren’t alone in that.
A nuclear grenade.
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That’s the latest bit of bullshit my folks have been bandying about, that Obama will refuse to give up his office and install himself as dictator.
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