I’d say that it’s the main reason for his rhetoric, in fact. His language has always been incredibly violent since he started running, but any pretense is gone now. He’s literally openly quoting Hitler and making very public plans on what he will do to those of us who aren’t on his side. Of course he’d love to see the judge and AG killed for him. It’s a personal affront that he’s being held to account.
Nothing I can say here that won’t get my post deleted. But I’m thinking it really, really hard.
If he’s in jail, they’ll have to delay other trials?
You are aware that people in custody can be moved to court for their cases, right? It seems pretty trivial to do that, in fact, even with him being a former president.
Jack Smith:
Also, that doesn’t mean his lawyers won’t use it as an (yet another) excuse.
Well, I’ll call for a CA of trump right here right now.
No, it’s not “too”. It’s literally just the violence he’s after. Stop thinking that Trump is playing 3-D chess. He isn’t. He’s not that deep or that smart.
Sure, but it’s not like those guys seem particularly good at lawyering thus far…
Give Trump an appropriate sentence and it won’t matter if he tries to use it to rewrite Mein Kampf, because age will kill him before he gets out again. All this worry about how he might try to use consequences, instead of what he is doing without consequences, is disastrous.
This has been Trump’s whole strategy for his trials - he’s got no defense, so disrupting legal proceedings (or preventing them from happening) through violence and fear of violence is his strategy, inasmuch as he has one. (He’s very much ruled by a mindless “strike out at those that displease me” instinct.)
This is such a good, important point - there’s no use hand-wringing over whether doing the right thing will help Trump because not doing it helps him (plus Trump is free to harm people, and we’ve failed to do the right thing). If he “wins” either way, you do the right thing no matter the cost.
He’ll have to find a prison ghostwriter, willing to work for free. You know it’ll just end up being some Aryan Nations dude who will just plagiarize Mein Kampf… (Or more likely Stephen Miller on the outside, doing the same.)
Yeah, we know that he explicitly said Pence deserved to literally hang for thwarting him - it’s all hanging out there, now. If he thought his VP should be murdered, he definitely thinks the judges and prosecutors should be.
So?
There is no fucking way “the judge is biased against me because I threatened/incited threats towards them” is grounds for appeal. And he’d claim election interference if a Democrat sneezed in his general vicinity - they’d obviously be trying to get him sick so he couldn’t campaign!
The Daily Beast wrote a piece about the symbolism of zip ties.
The zip tie discourse started with people who wanted to arrest their political enemies in the streets and evolved into what we saw on the 6th,” Evans told The Daily Beast.
As evidence, he pointed to leaked far-right chat logs obtained by the Unicorn Riot activist group, which show extremists encouraging each other to carry the improvised handcuffs.
“If the police again refuse to do anything about those wearing masks (a crime in progress) what are everyone’s thoughts on subduing them and placing them in zip ties as part of a declared citizen’s arrest?” extremists wrote about antifa members in a popular discord chat server after the white nationalist “Unite the Right” riot in Charlottesville, VA
The idea of citizen’s arrest can be deconstructed.
If it weren’t for slavery and racial discrimination, would this doctrine have survived? Maybe, maybe not. But slavery and racially discriminatory motives kept it alive.
He’s not special. Stop treating him like he’s special. He’s not above the law.
I agree. What he is trying to do is create enough unique ways to appeal that he can delay all consequences as long as possible.
It’s all bullshit, but it’s worked for 60+ years, he isn’t going to stop until a court stops him, and even then it will be difficult.
NY is trying to eliminate citizens arrest like Georgia did - due to its racist usage. Prompted by the murder of Ahmaud Arbery. It passed the NY Senate.
Maybe they should get a move on that?
Additionally- if you’re going to try and citizens arrest me - you’re going to have to prove you’re a citizen. I’m going to need to see your original, long form birth certificate.
Not that it works that way.
always love the way you think, dear comrade!
… what if we send him a box of crayons and a coloring book? /sarcasm
What he is trying to do is create enough unique ways to appeal that he can delay all consequences as long as possible.
Yep; that’s the only real tactic he has- delay, delay, delay. It works with civil suits, because inevitably the people suing him run out of money to fight. But he’s against the government, which has infinite resources (but not patience to put up with this bullshit, as seen in recent filings.)
Of course a MAGA-style “citizens arrest” that the unhinged Trump is attempting to incite could include anything from kidnapping to hanging to home invasions to deadly attacks.
Every time Hair Furor is in public, some patriotic American just needs to yell, “Gun! Gun! Gun!” from the back of the crowd. The Secret Service will just whisk him away in a puddle of orange urine and he will have been silenced for that short bit of time. I bet they will get tired of that real quick.