I agree and think this is the most relevant part. This gives every other nation involved such as Germany and France to solidify their postion as real world influencers while trump digs us deeper and deeper into irrelevance.
He already lost North Korea and doesn’t even realize it. Their actions have been calculated and methodical. Now that they have demonstrated nuclear capability and payload delivery they have helped ensure that the US won’t invade and forced their way to the bargaining table. Trump thinks he forced them to the table via tweets (Jesus, some of the things I have to type these days) when, in reality Kim forced everyone to come on his terms. He is free to give concessions such as halting work at their major nuke research facility (which was collapsing well before he even offered it, you dipshit!) and possibly even thawing of the DMZ because they are irrelevant. His regime is safer now than it has been in decades. The second he gets a photo of himself shaking hands with the President of the United States at his doorstep he will have won.
As usual, trump is being played by everyone involved, yet he will crow about how great a deal maker he is while discarding every point of leverage he has.
I don’t know if that’s the case [ETA: I don’t know if that’s the case anymore]. South Korea’s deep ties to the US have meant this from the beginning and certainly since the end of the Cold War meant that the US enjoyed military hegemony for the past 30 years. The North having nukes and payload delivery changes everything. No one would invade them now because, regardless of military might and overpowering their old-ass army, no one will be willing to sacrifice a city or three to accomplish it. And even then, what are they left with? Managing a border with China?
Do you seriously think that the rest of the world is coming together against the explicitly will of the US to come to a deal?
Just FTR, while the bloody german sec of state declared the deal was still on without the US,
US Ambassador to Germany, verbatim on twitter: “German companies doing business in Iran should wind down operations immediately.”
What part of “multilateral agreement with UNSC unanimous backing” did you not understand?
Last time I counted the veto holders in the UNSC, the US were one of them.
So, who’s leading?
Post-Marxistic China?
Post-Sovjet Russia?
Post-EU UK?
You want France to take the lead? Well, good luck.
And Germany?
Seriously, have you looked at the calendar and reflected a moment on today’s date?
Also, see above. Twitter, eh? Nothing against a good old Emser Depesche, but 280 chars should be enough for everyone…
This will up the tensions in the region and with his allies - as intended.
Seemingly on the brink of war, let down by traditional allies the US voter will rally 'round the flag and Trump gets a second term in 2020. We’ve seen it before with G. W. Bush.
Oh on the long term it’ll help reducing the soft power of the US and strengthening others. The US is continually eroding their diplomatic soft power (WMDs in Iraq, Paris agreement, NAFTA, TPP, now Iran Deal) and that will hurt them for decades to come.
We already have a big enough of a “white savior complex” and a healthy dose of American Exceptionalism - but does the rest of the world really think our dysfunctional nation is the only hope for a positive outcome in all this? OH sure, it would be easier if the US was on board, but is it a requirement?
On one hand everything the US touches seems to make things worse internationally, but on the other hand we are the only ones who can successfully navigate this situation? Maybe some of the 7 billion other people on the planet can step up and figure this out. Hell Iran could make this all go away by “being cool” and agreeing to continue non-proliferation.
Well, if anything Trump has shown Europe just how valuable a unified Europe is, because the USA is no longer a reliable partner. Scanning the German media reaction it looks like the EU will attempt to pick up the slack, so that European companies can still do business with Iran.
Netanjahu is giddy, but this does not bode well for Israel as more Europeans see modern Israel as bullies hiding behind the Shoah, abusing their heritage to justify their own atrocities. Even bleeding hearts have been saying this, alas. And Netanjahu is now feeding that impression.
Aw come on, you’re not going to muddy up BB with half truthed Facebook meme garbage, right?
Those first two things are always used to blame or praise presidents, but rarely have anything directly to do with them. I dunno about the farm thing, that doesn’t sound right. That last two are valid criticisms. Elevate your memes to higher standards.
Well, he got to be president, so clearly the answer is yes. Indeed, depending on what he wanted done this might be a good plan. If you care solely about impressing a certain narrow demographic and don’t give a toss about potential nuclear Armageddon, this was a great move. Despite appearances, Trump isn’t stupid. He has goals that are misaligned with most of humanity but that’s not stupidity.
Again, what part of “multilateral” is alien to you?
The US is a veto power. Veto powers stop the UN SC from being effective.
Also:
The US are already actively threatening companies of an ally, on twitter, that sanctions will be imposed again and you tell me Iran could “play cool”?
I know you like to argue some positions on this forum which are alien to me, but this is just crazy batshit, if you excuse my French. I’m out. I’m not versed enough in la langue diplomatique, I am afraid, to converse about the idea that this decision is in any way defendable or even positive.
