Two rampage killer attacks today in California. Great job, America

Discrimination breeds conflict. Systematic discrimination can lead to large segments of the population being pushed down, oppressed, and unable to climb the social-economic ranks. America has had it’s fair share of discrimination - whether that be based on race or where one is from or if they are liberal or conservative, Northern Yank vs Southerner etc. For sure all people discriminate. As others pointed out Bavarian may not like like the Germans in the North, but they are still Germans, and both of those are going to discriminate against people not like them. In this case it would be refugees, but I am sure the foreigners and different races also have to face some discrimination. But Germany’s cultural makeup (as an example) is much more similar than the US. Conversely, you can see areas in Europe like around Bosnia where the cultural make up is much more mixed (and poor), and oddly enough, that is where conflicts arise.

You are right heterogeneity isn’t the cause, per se, but, at least in the US, the Poverty / Inequality lines are often drawn around race and ethnicity.

ETA - And in the examples of the Syrians, it isn’t just an influx of brown people, but poor brown people with probably a bag of belongings and skill sets that makes them a liability vs an asset.

Are changes to existing laws that don’t work anathema to you as well?

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Some. Some of the stuff classified as NFA items seem silly to me. SBRs being on the NFA registry is ridiculous to me. There is a bill actually to make suppressors go through the same process as a long gun. Ironically, in Europe suppressors aren’t demonized, and in some cases are actually easier to get than the gun itself.

Federal law wise I can’t think of anything else off the top of my head. Some of the state laws make me sad.

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SBRs have a concealibility factor that full-length rifles do not. So that one makes sense to me.

The stumper is suppressors. They’re safety devices and should not be regulated.

BTW we all know there’s no such thing as a “silencer”, right? Despite the concession from wikipedia?

I propose the following:

Hunting Rifles and Shotguns are fine. These are much more powerful than the weapons our constitutional forefathers had in mind, but whatever. They have a legitimate purpose and don’t seem to be an issue (see canada and many european countires).

If people like target shooting they can own another type of gun and keep it locked up at a range where they target shoot, no need to have those anywhere else. We can require ranges to install secure storage private lockers.

Historical weapons can be registered and be made non-functional for display purposes. Grandad’s whatever over the mantel is fine so long as it doesn’t work.

If people want to own other types of guns they can apply for a license to do so and there can be better regulations on who can get them, resale, ownership, how they are stored, etc. Maybe even a safety book to study and a test, like we require for automobiles because of their lethality, or like we require for people who handle explosives for demolition, or pretty much anything of comparable lethality.

This seems pretty reasonable to me…most of us pro better gun regulation people are willing to talk about the issues directly instead of constantly misdirecting and diverting the conversation.

If I were pro-gun I’d be fighting tooth and nail to better regulate guns, I’d want pro gun people to proactivly craft better laws and regulations so that gun owners were the drivers for better gun laws and safety. This would make it much more likely that gun regulations would work for gun owners and make it much less likely that their guns be removed via future regulation. Show us that you can be responsible gun owners by taking responsibility. The NRA getting all pro gun owners to fight all sensible regulations is hurting responsible gun ownership long term.

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To me, the SBR law is pointless. Anyone with a hacksaw wanting to make their rifle more concealable to commit a crime can do so the night before. It isn’t like they would take the time to go through the process get one done legally.

With ARs it is even simpler. Buy an AR pistol uppper, put it on a rifle lower. Done. Several other models do the same thing. They make pistol versions without stocks, but you can alter them pretty easily.

It prevents NOTHING. It stops NOTHING.

Most people who think suppressors are silencers and make that cool pew pew sound in the movies need to spend 5 min on youtube. Personally I am completely bummed that it doesn’t make that cool sound.

And. because we’re still having that conversation:

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Something I’ve said in about a dozen of these threads…

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So long as we’re speaking in metaphors, exactly how does one treat a cultural disease? Serious question, no snark here.

Are you seeeeeriously trying to tell me that knives are as lethal as guns and the guy just wasn’t trying hard enough? I kind of assumed from the way you’ve been going on that you knew about guns.

You could be right, baseless speculation is fun like that. But don’t try to pretend that the only difference between a gun and a knife is the person holding it.

Why, a gun of course! Violence is an ineradicable fact of nature, therefore rather than trying to pretend that it doesn’t exist what most countries choose to do is to give officers of the law a “monopoly on violence” and a very strict code regarding when to use it. This only really works though if you restrict the power of the implements of violence that are available to the public, so that the police can readily control any violent situation with overwhelming force. Otherwise you’re setting your law enforcement up for exactly the kind of failures that go on regularly in the USA.

Why is it that when somebody needs to have explained to them how civilization works, they’re usually an American?

You tryin’a straw-man me, boy?

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The term is “gas light.”

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On point!!!

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They dont even have to do that. Air Rifle has been an Olympic Sport since 84. ISSF 10 meter air rifle - Wikipedia
If it’s about marksmanship we don’t need high caliber firearms in the first place.

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I especially enjoy the fact that you choose from a variety of dildos. Color and texture are important after all.

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It is a historical inevitibility.

If you intend to hunt, you most definitely do want to practice your marksmanship with that large caliber rifle before you go.

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I’ve never had a problem with my 12 ga. But then again I’m hunting wooded tracks next to farmers fields in Michigan so it’s not exactly rocket science.

I suppose bigger game in other states do require different tactics.

I kind of just wanted to deflate the ‘Target Shooting V. Killing Shit’ argument too.

IMHO it’s extremely assine to debate that a tool specifically engineered to apply lethal force at extremely long ranges and with astonishing accuracy has evolved into just a item of harmless recreation is ridiculous.

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THAT’S JUST ONE APPLICATION OUT OF MANY!!!

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Okay… not sure if the /sarcasm or caplok should have been implied. But I’m pretty sure you snd I agree on this debate for the most part…

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It isn’t asinine at all when that is WHAT NEARLY ALL GUNS (in the US) ARE ACTUALLY BEING USED FOR. Harmless recreation.

You know the .50 cal rifles the Army now uses? 100% invented and developed by private civilians working on doing long range shooting competition. Only later did the Army see the value in it and ordered them.