VC Fred Wilson's prediction: we will have a different President of the United States by the end of 2019

I mean - the health of the economy may not be a big factor relative to Trump’s support from what @gracchus calls the “know nothing 30%”, but the know nothings are only one part of the coalition that elected Trump. The rest of that coalition is made up of people like my wealthy neighbors here in Massachusetts; people who voted for him in expectation of favorable tax policies and a slack regulatory environment. Those people sit up and take notice when the economy starts looking like it’s going to implode, and some of those people have Mitch McConnell on speed dial.

I don’t have any hope that McConnell will suddenly remember where he put his moral compass, but I’m cynical enough to think he might do the right thing for a constellation of terrible, selfish reasons.

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That would be morbidly amusing. If there is any justice in the universe Trump would return as an impoverished Honduran child.

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Shocking twist: before any Trump impeachment, Pence resigns due to a “personal indiscretion” he refuses to reveal. Unrelated to Russia/Trump though.

Replaced by a Gerald Ford type.

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Might be 2030

Reminder that the total GOP vote represents about 1/4 of the country.

Regrettably, the USA is not under majority rule.

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Your preview of all redstate elections in 2020:

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Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t Pence get the VP slot because Manafort lobbied for him? Precedent suggests there’s something extremely shady and quite likely illegal in Pence’s background.

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Hesitant quibble here: If you use initials or acronyms in an article, can you try to explain the acronym the first time you use it, please? I kind of assume that VC as you use it means “venture capitalist”. In the UK it would mean “Victoria Cross” (or a holder thereof), and as an old dude, for an American context, I first guessed it meant Viet Cong (I know, that dates me). I looked it up on Urban Dictionary and it says “Voice Chat”. I know that’s nothing to do with the substance of the article, but it is distracting and confusing.

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I don’t think it was Manafort. I think Pence was chosen to assuage the evangelical base.

As much as folk here are talking about indicting Pence for something, I haven’t seen anything to suggest he was involved in connecting with foreign operations for campaign material or Trump Org dealings.

I’ll convert if Jesus raptures him now!

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The tragicomic thing is that in 2016 there were tens of thousands of people on Facebook seriously and breathlessly worried that OBAMA would declare martial law and refuse to relinquish the presidency. Naturally these intellectual heavyweights voted in the person actually most likely to try some bizarre shit to remain Supreme Leader…

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Scuttlebutt is Pence was pushed by the party. And Manafort purportedly talked Trump out of dropping him repeatedly. So less selected by Manafort than agreed to by Manafort if true.

As to Pence and indictments. He doesn’t necessarily need to be indicted or charged to go down with the ship.

And I simply find it hard to believe that he’s uninvolved in any of this shit to the point where if he doesn’t get indicted or charged. That he can simply continue on in his career, or assume the presidency.

While we don’t have any direct, public information indicating he’s specifically under investigation or being eyed for charges. That’s roughly true for a number of other people likely to be involved.

And we do know the transition and transition team are specifically a focus of the investigation. And Pence ran the transition team. Papadopoulos and Flynn we’re both members of the transition team. Both have been charged and plead out. Pence had regular involvent with Manafort, whose deeply involved in anything coming out of investigations of the campaign. And whose already been charged and convicted of unrelated crimes.

In the circumstances around that Russian hotel meeting it looks likely that Pence was involved in some way. The reveal of that particular tid bit involved multiple instances of Pence lying or misrepresting the subject to the public.

And while the original stated reason for Flynn’s firing was that he lied to Pence about the subject. Leading to Pence inadvertently lying to the American public. We pretty much know that’s untrue. We’ve seen multiple competing explanations for the firing. And it’s pretty clear at this point that Flynn’s overall involvement in multiple illegal things is what lead to his firing.

We also know that Pence has very little concern about lying directly to the American public. Or even being called out for it. Via the debate at the very least.

So you got a guy who’s regularly, blatently lied to the American public. Including potentially to conceal wrong doing in the administration, and to cover Trump. Who was deeply involved in 2 organizations, the campaign and the transition, that employed criminals. That are under investigation. And where multiple participants have been arrested and convicted. Who’s direct subordinates have plead guilty. Who was in charge of one of those organizations.

And as the investigation has ramped he’s withdrawn from public view and separated himself from the president. Taking clear steps to insulate himself.

I find it really hard to believe a guy in that position is clean. That he really didn’t know what was going on, and really didn’t participate. At least in a cover-up.

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I think it depends if the other parts of his coalition keep getting what they want out of Trump, then they’ll back him.

I have very little faith in the GOP to pay anything more than lip service to their “resistance” to Trump. I think it’s a ploy to get votes, and then they’ll line right the fuck up behind him. This has been what’s happened literally since he’s been elected. A shit economy isn’t going to impact them or their big donors, so why should they do anything different. And I think a lot of hardcore GOP voters will not vote for a democratic candidate for shit, either. They will either hold their nose and vote for Trump, a third party, or stay home.

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Speak of the House, Nancy Pelosi? Even LESS of a chance of the Senate backing his removal from office now, I’d wager.

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I have no idea why I chose that hill to die on yesterday, but I’m in a f*cking awful mood today for no reason I can identify and it would please me to no end if the entire Republican party would get run over by herd of enraged rhinoceros.

I’m going to go break some stuff. Cheers.

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My own utter lack of faith in the GOP to do the right thing didn’t help… we should probably all be more angry about the current state of affairs, maybe not less… cause I could go for breaking some shit…

office-space-printer

You can always listen to some tunes and get down instead!

skanking

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:100: for The Specials!

I actually feel better. Thanks!

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Oh good! Glad to hear it. You can still break stuff, if it will make you feel even better. Just do it listening to some Specials!

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I can’t think of anyone who could get past both houses. So VP Nobody, I guess.

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Exactly my point. If there’s no VP, there’s no pardon.