its almost as if the giant gun is preventing him from tackling this guy. you give a cop a big gun like that and his hands are full. would you want to tackle a person that is wanted for triple murder if there is a chance he can get his hands on a giant gun. so you give the cop two options, use the giant gun or fail to engage. at least nobody died. guessing white privilege played a good part in this too.
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Am I the only person who has Yakety Sax stuck in their head after watching that?
A dog was used as soon as he got there.
Full video, around 1 minute in. (the video at the bottom, not the news cast.
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The temptation is understandable.
Personally I was headed to inappropriate Monty Pythonesque where a bunch of white researchers attempted to test some hypothesis about what would happen to a naked man of colour and ended coated in blood splatter as they tabulated result.
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That is false.
According to the numbers from Washington Post, 214 black men were killed by police in 2017. The CDC says that a total of 174,403 black men died that year.
Here’s the CDC chart giving the top 10 causes of death by race for 2017.
From here:
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Based on numbers for 2017 from Washington Post and the CDC:
-0.1% of all black male deaths in 2017 were caused by police shooting.
-0.04% of all white male deaths in 2017 were caused by police shooting.
I don’t think there’s any way to get at data about police encounters, and that’s the hell of it. No one keeps records of black men beaten and tortured by police, but those numbers aren’t trivial. That’s not even a part of the white experience in this country.
Cruising the stats on the CDC, WaPo, and FBI sites has given me a sick feeling about all of this. When someone dies, it becomes a harvestable data point. When a police officer jumps out of his car and slams a kid to the ground, that is not a data point. And so the more data points you have, the more incomplete the picture becomes.
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You have to admit, that would be one hell of a plot twist if you lost that bet.
It’s not false, it’s disputed. The CityLab reference disagrees with your numbers.
ETA: What I will add, though, is that my point may not hold up to scrutiny due to differing data sets. The CDC mortality stats may not be precisely comparable with the CityLab reference. However, just under 100/100,000 is a VERY high risk, while still believable. There are daily reports of police killing unarmed black men.
Correction: Don’t mix numbers from different data sets!
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Washington Post is giving numbers strictly for people shot and killed by police. But there are a number of other ways for police to kill someone. The Root is probably catching other police causes of death, like strangulation and “rough rides.” So the Root puts the number at 305 Black people of all genders killed by police in 2017.
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Deaths are not the only issue, though, which I’m sure you’re aware of. People of color make up proportionately larger percentage of the prison population, are more likely to receive inadequate access to a proper defense, are more likely to be coerced in interrogations, are more likely to be picked up in a case of mistaken identity, are more likely to be on the receiving end of police violence that does not end in death, are more likely as children and young adults to be singled out for greater forms of punishment, including early escalation to the criminal justice system for youthful indiscretion, are more likely to have the police called on them for no real reason, are less likely to be believed, etc, etc, fucking heart breaking piles of bullshit, etc. All this is real things that happen to people, and are not in dispute, except by people who want to deny racism exists in our criminal justice system.
Also, the United States is still majority white, so the number of black men ending up dead while in police custody is disproportionate, given the racial demographics of the country.
https://thesocietypages.org/toolbox/police-killing-of-blacks/
We can play the numbers game all day long; it does not address systemic racism in the criminal justice system. We all know this is a real thing and exists in the world. We all know that if this had been a black man, he would have had a greater chance of being shot than this man, who was white and was not shot.
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The fun thing about pretending not to see patterns in police behavior is that is always impossible to recognize the pattern. If the cop does have a history of having shot black suspects in similar situations then we simply move the needle on how similar the situations were or call the number too small for statistical significance. Or we could recognize the absolutely overwhelming bias seen in policing as a class and go from there.
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You wonder what it was? Well, obviously, he was armed … short-armed.
It seems like the CityLab article bears me out. The study discussed there says that 1/1000 black males will be killed by police. The numbers from CDC and WaPo bear that out, with slightly more than 0.1% of all black male deaths caused by police shooting. As @mindysan 's numbers from The Root show, this might approach 0.15% when all police causes of death are considered.
Anyway, as usual I have positioned myself weirdly in relation to the actual debate here. When I get into this “let’s check the numbers” mode, it inevitably means I can’t see the forest for the trees.
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I agree with you.
Okay. Great.
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And your CDC numbers confirm what I was saying, which you said was false. 
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You said police are the number 3 cause of death for black males, after heart disease and cancer. I don’t understand how you’re getting that. In fact, the number 3 cause of death is Accidents, All Types.
You also claimed in a separate post that police kill more black males than car accidents, but that’s not true either. 13,844 black males were killed in car accidents in 2017, vs. approx 300 killed by police. And you claimed that police kill more black males than stroke (8,566), and virus (2,682 flu and pneumonia deaths, 555 viral hepatitis, 1,963 HIV), and COPD (5,605 chronic lower respiratory deaths).
I don’t understand why someone would come into a thread like this and make those claims. How is anyone helped by that?
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ETA: I’m putting this right up front, to make sure it’s clear: you were correct. I was mixing data sets with different rates. One was per 100,000 deaths, and the other was per 100,000 people. I have updated my posts upthread.
The CDC numbers are deaths per 100,000. Only heart disease and cancer have >100 deaths per 100,000. By your numbers from WaPo, 214 deaths in 2017, out of 174,404 total deaths, equates to 122 per 100,000.
And I see where the problem is. The CDC numbers are per 100,000 people, not 100,000 deaths. Which goes back to why I shouldn’t be mixing data sets.
Because there were people who were gaslighting for the cops. Corrections made upthread.
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My life isn’t a fucking sitcom or some dramatic series, dude.
O_o
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