Most live sex acts are illegal in bars.
What a bonehead example.
To elaborate a little:
There are tons of things that are illegal in bars, despite consenting parties, because they are things where people get hurt interacting with drunk people with impaired judgment.
It’s too bad that Andre the Giant is no longer with us to give potential tossers a view from the other side before proceeding.
“Whenever I hear anyone arguing over slavery dwarf-tossing, I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally.”
This is a good argument.
The consent policy from one such establishment (crucible, DC)
… Force, coercion, intimidation, or threatening behavior may not be used to gain consent. Negotiated consent is only valid for the specific interaction or scene. Additional or subsequent interactions or scenes must be renegotiated.
o Consent is not valid if made under an altered state. Examples of altered states include:
- Under the influence of alcohol
- Under the influence of any drugs (legal or illegal)
- When not in control of one’s physical capacities
- When not in control of one’s mental capacities
- While unconscious …
I’m not in a position to know whether this is a typical policy or a long standing policy, or whether it reflects specific jurisdictional and situational requirements. It seems sane.
the character, Hamilton Schuyler, was written for an episode which apparently does not revolve around little people.
that storyline continues in the next episode
His third appearance, which does involve “dwarf tossing contests” came two years later
Not being familiar with the show, or even the episodes in question, I can’t say how they come off.
“Crafty Dwarf Attorney” is not a promising epithet, though.
You are completely missing my point. My point is its brutal but legal because they are consenting adults.
For the record, I have not but attended several UFC matches in the 90s and those were also legal.
Drunk driving is illegal, even if the driver is wildly enthusiastically consenting.
Amateur fights involving inebriated patrons are illegal.
Consent is great, but that doesn’t make everything in the world legal or non-fatal.
“The most importamt civil rights”? As far as I’m concerned, every civil right is important and would certainly not presume to think I get to decide wich are more important to you or anybody else.
The character started strong, but then they used him to make some demeaning points, fired him, then used his real-life suicide as a hook to get a rating bump.
The whole thing has not aged well.
I your drunk driving metaphore, the drunk driver is putting the lives of themselves and everyone else on the road in danger without anyone’s concent. Drunk driving is illegal because there are victims that never agreed to be in danger. When I willingly enter a motorcycle race I do so willingly and will knowledge of the dangers involved. When I get hurt, I am not a victim of anyone except my own decisions and chance. That is my right, privilidge, and potential consequence for free will.
You can’t legally consent to being a cannibal’s meal.
Also, the point you skipped over:
…is still true when only one person is inebriated. Because in an unregulated, untrained fight, people can commit homicide. The drunk person may sign up to toss, without understanding the seriousness of this risk, as well as the common risks of permanent spinal damage that happen in this activity, even while the sober person is saying it’s okay. That why consent doesn’t square in a situation where drunk people are invited to commit violence against a weaker, smaller human. If it goes wrong (which it has), then you’ve helped the person commit drunken homicide. Against their sober consent.
I tried to hang in there with you and have an intelligent debate but you lost me on the cannibal metaphore. I mean that literally, I don’t understand how that was a counterpoint to my point. I simply believe that if they want to engage in a business that is of their choosing then that is their right so long as they dont hurt others and you obviously don’t and thats cool by me but I have focused on this rabbit hole long enough. Enjoy the thread.
Just in case you are interested on the other side’s argument: http://volokh.com/2011/05/18/substantive-dignity-dwarf-throwing-burqa-bans-and-welfare-rights/
You skipped over my main point twice.
This isn’t an abstract philosophical plane where nobody gets hurt.
I wonder how the people who contributed to the original tossee’s death feel today?
Fine, I’ll try again.
You’re in a desert walking along in the sand when all of the sudden you look down, and you see a tortoise, crawling toward you. You reach down, Fuzz_Cube, you flip the tortoise over on its back. The tortoise lays on its back, its belly baking in the hot sun, beating its legs trying to turn itself over, but it can’t, not without your help. But you’re not helping. Why is that?
Me thinks you missed the sarcasm…
Fortunately, “the more complicated social and cultural issues” of which you spoke are not the basis for disallowing consenting adults to participate in activities you’ve decided are obnoxious, demeaning, or icky.
Ah yes, a classic from the pro-life logic playbook. “Babies can’t consent to being murdered!”
