That thread did not end well for the interviewer if I’m not mistaken…
I did. I had lost a bit of interest in the thread.
Yet, here you are?
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Nah - it’s guys without dwarfism who aren’t allowed to participate.
If you want to toss someone around who’s your size - have at it.
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They’re just questions, Fuzz_Cube.
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We’re talking about inebriated adults. You’re claiming that inebriated adults are consenting adults when it comes to taking the life of another person literally in their hands.
You’re the one claiming that drunk frat boys are great judges of how hard you can throw another human being, and that letting them control the amount of force to endanger someone with is somehow ethically unproblematic, even though it’s lead to predictable injury and death.
(Maybe you should spend your time arguing against mouth-guards in football and seatbelts in cars, because those are much more common “injustices” against “liberty”.)
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No, I’m not.
No, I’m not.
Yes, you are.
We’re talking about drunken bar patrons. You’re claiming they are “consenting adults” without qualification. Watching a stripper doesn’t have a non-negligible risk of messing up their spinal alignment five minutes after you decide to look at them. Volunteering to toss someone while drunk and with impaired judgment and a massive weight difference, whether the tossee is consenting or not, is like operating a vehicle or getting into a fight while drunk.
It’s like getting someone drunk, putting a gun in their hand, convincing them to play Russian Roulette with a willing volunteer, and then when they kill someone, you say everyone’s was a consenting adult.
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“happily willing to defend” and “not wanting to criminalize” a behavior are not the same thing.
Yet, there are plenty of defenders of this activity here. This laws was backed by activist who pointed out very real concerns about this “game.”
[ETA] And at what point is supporting allowing this supporting the activity itself? At what point are groups allowed to act in their own best interests politically? Change doesn’t happen because people who are oppressing others see the light - that certainly doesn’t happen on a structural level just because we move forward in time. Changes happen when people make it happen. This law was forwarded by the community in question and is part of a larger social movement around the rights of the disabled. Sometimes in order to make a better, more just society, the privileged groups HAVE to give up some of that privilege. The “privilege” of being able to abuse the disabled is a very good privilege to give up. Someone’s right to have laugh at other’s expense shouldn’t come at the expense of someone’s physical health.
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MMA fighting is consentual too, but if you’re doing it outside of a well-regulated environment it becomes illegal. Somehow I don’t think regulating “dwarf tossing” is a hill anybody wants to die on. Then again after reading this thread I’m not so sure about that anymore.
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Apparently, it is. I’m flummoxed how so many people seem to care so little about the welfare and dignity of their fellow human beings. It’s kind of depressing, actually.
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Par for the course, actually. A general lack of empathy and encouraging the perpetual dehumanization of others who are different directly benefits that tiny percentage of people who are in power; as does anything that keeps the masses divided and distracted.
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Something like this would most certainly count as “bread and circuses” on top reinforcing hierarchy of the able-bodied over disabled…
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Giving people dignity involves giving them the right to make their own decisions, regardless of whether you approve of the decisions they make.
But it’s a serious question, how is it different to put a loaded gun in a drunk bar patron’s hand, than to put a human being into their hands to be thrown with inebriated judgment and a substantial weight class difference?
(That is literally the topic of this thread, so I hope you can answer and further the discussion instead of flagging it as off-topic.)
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Allowing others to toss people for fun and profit is a direct attack on their dignity… and on their physical health.
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As has been repeatedly pointed out, the people being tossed are choosing to do so. They are the custodians of their dignity, not you.
Absolutely; it’s on par with freak shows and other antisocial ‘entertainment’ of yore that demonstrated just how far our species has to go towards being truly civilized.
Having ‘consent’ to do degrading and dehumanizing things to others is a seriously low bar.
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