ive had family members lie to me about getting vaccinated. lying is a great way to placate your more liberal friends and family while sticking to your core fears about microchipping and rushed fda approvals
and, yeah. off the cuff i too would imagine every time im exposed i have a non zero chance of getting breakthrough covid. in a community where covid is running rampant due to low mask usage and low vaccination… just generally less carefulness… the vaccinated people might simply have more exposure chances
But they’ve picked the lying-est liars who ever lied a lie as the people they worship. I don’t think it’s being lied to that they object to, it’s being told things they don’t want to be true.
Well, sure, to some extent, but if someone tells me something that appeals to me, but I then find out is false, I stop trusting that person. These people don’t do that. They stop trusting people only if the things they tell them change to things they don’t want to hear.
I looking forward to the % vaccinated line in a few weeks. I’m hoping for a good upswing. Should be noticable. But if it levels off before 70%? we’ll know “It’s still not approved, not tested enough” was a bogus “reason”.
It’s also possible that a lot of people were lying. That they did not, in fact get vaccinated “It’s all a lie and I won’t get sick”, and maybe got a fake vaccination card instead, but, once they actually get sick, don’t want to be told “its all your own fault, you were warned to get vaccinated” so lie and claim they were when asked by friends and relatives.
I think it’s clear at this point that WE ALL WILL CATCH COVID at some point, vaccinated or not. It’s obvious there are far too many stubborn anti-vax, anti-mask folks out there who will make sure we are all exposed over and over again until we catch it. Its also a sure bet that anyone you see without a mask on in the grocery store – or any other indoor public place – is guaranteed to also be unvaccinated, and probably contagious. Those 2 things just seem to go together. At this point getting vaccinated is not to stop the spread, but to enable people to survive it when they catch it.
I think it’s not so much “being told things they don’t want to be true” but rather “being told things by people they don’t like”. You know, scientists, nerdy nerds, liberal do-gooders, democrats, etc. Take for example, the number of bills that democrats passed, to the screaming anger of republicans, which originated as republican solutions they had written as counter-proposals to what the democrats originally wanted.
Yup. Republicans have proven over and over that they will never in a million years compromise with democrats in good faith.
It is astounding and makes me hate the democrats that they keep pretending it is ever worth it to reach across the aisle. All that happens is republicans spit in their hands.
Yeah, earlier up I replied to another commenter suggesting that fibbing about having been vaccinated might be a bigger factor than we think, so it’s awesome to read your take on things.
I do still wonder though because they give vaccine cards in the US, right? Like the hospitals treating these sick patients should in many/most cases be able to establish whether the patients were truly vaccinated or not.
My mother lives in Florida and also said that there ‘so many vaccinated people are getting really sick’ that I continue to doubt any version of what’s going on.
Especially since a new study came out here showing that 6 months post vaccination (with Sputnik in this case), while the total antibody level did decrease in the 1800 serum samples tested, the neutralizing antibody count stays high, regardless of variant.
According to my google-foo, the highest effectiveness rate I can find is 96% (96% effective at preventing hospitalization symptomatic infections due to covid)
in Florida, google says that 11,137,284 have been fully (2 dose) vaccinated. So, that’s 445941 fully vaccinated people expected to still get sick. in Florida alone.
Keeping firmly in mind that the anti-vax, anti-mask folks have made it their holy crusade to ensure that every single one of us are constantly exposed and guaranteed to catch it.
Damn.
I don’t know about the US vaccines, but Sputnik, Sinopharm, Cansino, Astra Zeneca, etc. that we take down here were always reported in the press with differential effectiveness rates - and the 96% was against ‘severe disease/hospitalization’ and the rate for symptomatic covid (but of the deal with it at home variety) was always more in the mid to high 80s.
So, as your analysis contemplated, we’ll all get covid 19 eventually, and keeping cases low enough is still important.
However, there is some wiggle room it would appear. Here, we have 90% of all 18 year olds and over with at least the first dose in. Second doses to be be in 21-60 days.
Delta variant is days to weeks from starting community transmission. Currently, we’re at the lowest case number in 2021 after 13 weeks of decline from our last peak in May/June of our second wave. Masks still mandatory even outdoors unless you’re eating/drinking, and always mandatory indoors except restaurants and gyms (which are recently opened again but at 30% capacity). 2 weeks ago they allowed the public to take public transport again for the first time in the pandemic (before it was only essential workers, then essential + strategic workers; always with a valid exception pass on their government covid health app). BUT, the wiggle room I’m talking about it that the government announced that now that we’re getting vaccinated, the principal metric for which restrictions will be tightened and loosened is no longer going to be infection rates, but rather hospitalizations and deaths. Since the vaccine makes it so you can get sick but not too sick. So, now I’m wondering more specifically how they are going to do the math to factor in infection rates but prioritize hospitalizations. Interesting. They claim it’s based on data from other countries already in the 3rd wave w Delta, who also had decent vaccination rates (Portugal, Israel, etc.)
Interesting, indeed.
Anecdotal ‘evidence’ here (not in Florida): This week in a 4-person Pfizer vaccinated household one person developed symptoms. Next day tested positive. Two days later all 4 have symptoms and a second tested positive. At this point just hoping the vaccine mitigates severity.
Even if you are vaccinated, stay vigilant. You can and will get it otherwise.
This is why I have basically adopted a 100% policy of never leaving the house without a mask on. I just plain don’t trust anyone anymore. The moment I am outside my front door, my mask is on. And I don’t get physically close to anyone other than my immediate family - if I can’t trust the person with my life, literally, I can’t trust them to be within infecting distance of me.
When my daughter finally gets vaccinated, I may relax, but at this point, no way.
This is possible, sure. The ones in my example all did get vaccinated though. Remember? Small town. No secrets. They took a lot of shit for getting the vaccine, but were sure they were doing the right thing, and then took MORE shit when they got sick.
Calling them liars on top of it seems like it’d reinforce them against ever listening to reality again. I’d rather know if the increased viral load from everyone else put them at a higher risk than in areas where vaccinations were more common than call them liars.
