Also how do you placate people who don’t have any demands to negotiate over other than “WE TAKE OVER THE COUNTRY FROM YOU BY FORCE.”
I don’t give a shit about purity here. We all need to be on team “not gonna let the US be overthrown” because literally all of us who aren’t in favor of storming the capitol and murdering politicians to take power by lying about an election in the aftermath are the only ones who can compromise.
… meanwhile the oceans rise.
What? Corporate interests own and manipulate social media. That’s been the case since it was invented. Same thing for original recipe media. Conservative-leaning ownership makes it very difficult for any liberal or progressive messages or movements to get neutral coverage. Factor in who is making the majority of campaign contributions, and it’s clear to see how “the market” determines who gets more name recognition to influence the outcome of elections. Grass roots information and fundraising are crucial to fighting against that.
But… THE MARKET!!! It’s the ultimate arbiter of all that is GOOD AND TRUE 
… /s
Both sides of what?
Again, it’s a duopoly system by design and in practise. That sucks but it won’t change soon enough to help prevent the potential end of liberal democracy in 2025 at the hands of a racist, sexist party that’s been taken over by a fascist death cult. The other duopoly party has its own failings, but pushing for civil rights and equity for all citizens is not engaging in a “culture war” (at least, if you refuse to buy into the framing of those so-called conservative voices that you somehow still find value in). As for the Dem’s Third Way establishment, at least there’s a chance of pushing them out in favour of younger politicians like Ocasio-Cortez who understand that neoliberalism is no longer a sustainable default economic ideology.
There are no good choices here at the moment, only bad and bloody awful. Keep drawing false equivalencies like you are and you’ll end up with no liberal democracy at all in a few years.
I agree with you. But I am highlighting a trend among our celebrities and politicians on both sides of the political spectrum that have pushed this “woke” them on us. When you have Sarah Silverman, Dave Chappell, Ted Cruz & Nugent, as well as Tucker Carlson, all demonizing the “woke” Twitterverse, or “woke” media for highlighting their flaws. And costing them money by those individuals NOT buying, literally and figuratively, their product or message is what I’m stating is the market working against their product/message. Demoting it and costing them actual money, viewers, or believers in their product/message. Just like conservative media outlets have done.
In the nineties it was the Family-Values groups boycotting those messages/shows/products they didn’t like or view as not promoting their family values regardless of how popular the messages/shows/products were. Sometimes it worked, there are many instances of that. Once a portion of the market gets extremely vocal and corporate interests took stock in how damaging or promoting that was. It was either ignored or removed.
Now, it’s social media doing the same thing to these people. Are there algorithms to promote one voice over another? Yep, and that is how bias creeps into the algorithms. That is up to a corporation to tweak that algorithm to remove bias or promote it, right or wrong.
But that doesn’t change the fact that both sides of the political spectrum have used it when it’s effective for them and demonized it when it’s used against them. And the reality where it was just dollars (boycotting) making the decision now it’s voices and dollars.
I am not defending social media - honestly the only social media I’m on is Mastodon, here (forums are a form of social media), and the Well (another form of social media). I do that because forums (at least now) don’t have algorithms promoting them. We read things and go to the appropriate forum and speak our mind or read other thoughts. Mastodon is an interesting, decentralized form of social media and as far as I can tell no algorithms promote anything to me. I see either the area I’m in or I can view the wider world within Mastodon but it’s all out there more like a forum with no post being promoted to me.
Overall, when it comes to this: Democracy IS mob rule - it’s supposed to be. The United States has a watered-down form of democracy by citizens choosing which electors (Democrat or Republican) to vote for them. That is the electoral college. But it doesn’t change the fact that now we have two sides of the political spectrum agreeing on how “woke” citizens are disrupting their ability to spread messages/products. And there is something in that.
Can we be manipulated by corporate interests? Hell yes, that has been happening for the last 400 years in this country. But that doesn’t change the fact that the citizens need to take change and ask questions of people seeking political office. We need to stop taking an us vs them view of Republican/Democrat politics and find other voices. The current dynamic has been disrupted before (Progressive party anyone) and it can again. It’s just we need to stop thinking in the terms that the corporate interests that want us to think and that is exactly the current dynamic and that is no longer working because it’s weakening our democracy.
I’m just stating it’s not up to one party to stop this. It’s up to the us, the citizens of the United States, to stop this. We aren’t the problem we are the solution but only if we decide that or let the current dynamic continue on it’s destructive way.
Haha. WOKE = MARKET these days.
But I’m not stating it’s the arbiter of good and true, but I am saying that when I hear the dog whistle WOKE all I really hear is that most people hate the whistler and I shouldn’t listen to what most people think about racism, sexism, trans people, etc. because they’re wrong, and the whistler is right because the whistler is the minority.
There is something in there that both sides of the political spectrum hate and that should be something that WE should look at; not let them tell us what it is.
I’m not sure what you’re arguing for though here? Let’s say we all get together and silence all the things considered “woke” on the internet. What gets censored then?
Looking at it that way to me there’s no question about what “woke” means and who people who blame “wokeness” are blaming. And there’s very little distinction between those groups on what should be done to silence this wokeness really even. It’s absolutely clear whose voice gets disappeared from the media in that case.
So well, maybe traditional ways of looking at alignments are failing and things like racism against black americans are actually just as much of a problem in “liberal” circles as “Conservative” radical groups. Food for thought, if one enjoys a steady diet of depressing thoughts, that is.
I’m sorry, but that’s just a load of horseshit.
We live in a market economy. If your product isn’t valued by the customer; blaming the customer is an excellent plan to lose more customers.
Telling the customer you have to like my product or you’re to blame is incredibly stupid.
God forbid, we treat human beings with dignity and respect!!!
and this is why we have a constitution, so that no “mob” can vote away the basic rights of people they deem “lesser” than.
“Woke” is not a dog whistle. Thug is a dog whistle. Urban is a dog whistle.
If it’s “hate” for me to have full bodily autonomy and for there not to be Black Americans shot for no reason, and for immigrants not to be scapegoats, and for LGBQT+ people to have full rights in this country, and to oppose politicians who disagree with those basic concepts, then dude, I don’t know what to fucking tell you.
They seem to be arguing that advocating for equal rights for all is the same fucking thing as literally taking rights away from others to preserve white men’s feelings. And probably that we’re just sheeple with no ability to see THE TRUTH 
like they can…
I guess it’s a reference to the various corporate bland statements in support of basic human rights for all of us? I mean, how dare they do the literal bare minimum in the struggle for true equity! But clearly, we’re all too out of touch with reality to understand such cynical messaging… good thing someone showed up to tell us what we already know… /s
Can anyone point me to an example of someone on the Left using the term ‘woke’, except as a quote or paraphrase of what someone on the Right is saying?
It’s a very one-sided appellation, as far as I can tell.
Im afraid that many on the right have no concern about policy or politics. Consistently at the rallies held by the right wingers there is the question of “when can we use our guns”. There are vast numbers of people, usually white men, who have invested thousands of dollars on weapons. They have a fortune tied up in weaponry designed to efficiently kill other human beings. These guns are useless for hunting, you can only shred so many paper targets. The satisfaction is to watch human bodies ripped to pieces. Only one political party supports easy access to these tools of death. Thus these people flock to the republican party. Nazis are hand in hand with republican values because they put names to people that should be killed. Theres a simple logic in this. You don’t buy race cars to go get groceries, You don’t buy sea going boats in a dessert, you don’t buy climbing equipment if you’re terrified of heights. What good are these toys if you can’t use them. I fear there are many people itching to use their weapons to do what they are designed to do. You need targets, enemies, you need people who have been declared enemies by your trusted leader. Trump gives you the list of people who are justifiable targets. You can watch them spin and twitch as your ammo rips through their bodies. They may try to elude you, better game, you can hunt them down. I fear there are many men with just this type of mindset. Their lives lack meaning, they need a purpose, they need live targets. I hope I’m completely wrong but I hear that question too often. When can we start shooting.
Thing is, they can’t shoot a virus; a whole lot of that ilk are going to sicken and die, especially over the next two years.
Keeping fighting, keep striving to stay alive and healthy.
Unfortunately, “stop fighting the culture war” is a right-wing culture-war meme. It’s the voice of an imaginary racist sexist “left” that could supposedly win Republican votes if it could just out-racist the racists. It’s a gateway drug that leads to harder stuff like Steve Hilton and Alex Jones.
The '90s are over. It was reasonable to denounce “both sides” when Bill Clinton was running against Bob Dole, but anybody who thinks that’s still the world we live in has a lot of catching up to do.
