Crossing my fingers for the rise of Phoenix.
I’m with ya, sister!
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Oh I think there are many superheroines that are able to be well marketed, but just haven’t. Even WW has been under utilized. Though I see a ton of progress in both the area of super heroes going mainstream in general, as well as female characters. Last time I went to Toys R Us they had a new collection of DC Doll/Action figure hybrids that I thought looked really nice. Certainly something no one would have dreamed of making something like this when I was into collection 20+ years ago.
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NOOOO! Not Jean Grey.
Such as? And I mean from the comic books, not from TV shows or movies.
Well a few have already cropped up on TV and movies, and some with their own shows, such as Catwoman, Supergirl, Black Canary, Batgirl, and Elektra. Those 5 started in comics, have appeared on TV, and 3 of the 5 have had their own films. Now I am not saying all of those works were GOOD, but they could have been. Harley Quinn is a break out character actually originating from a cartoon, to the comics, to the movies.
There are many other characters out there that could easily stand on their own, such as She-Hulk (who had a Deadpool like self awareness that predates Deadpool), Zantana, Dazzler, - and some of my personal favorite X-Men like Rogue, Storm, and Psylocke. Starfire and Raven both have Teen Titan cred to build upon. Squirrel Girl is a great, quirky character that I think could get some mass appeal, and isn’t just a cookie cutter ass kicker.
I mean, just check out this list:
There is a wealth of material sitting there right now, just begging for it to be fleshed out and made. Sure, many of them don’t have the name brand of more popular characters, but all it takes is some good content for that to change.
There are even a lot of “cheese cake” characters who could be reformed into real, three dimensional characters, like Red Sonja, Vampirella, Witch Blade, Lady Death, etc.
Fair point that too many female heroes are “a mere duplicate of the males”. That was cheap, lazy writing that started back in the 40s and 50s. It continues some today, but isn’t nearly as bad. But at the same time a duplication of powers doesn’t make them the same character. Jessica Jones (who did start in the comics) is a great example. She could be like any other super strong hero in spandex, yet has her own unique make up.
Anyway, my point is: fair point that stand alone female heroes have been lacking thus far. But that isn’t because they aren’t out there, they just haven’t had the spot light on them like they should.
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I only slightly disagree with this from @Lucy_Gothro in that Black Widow has absolutely OVER shadowed her male counterparts in The Avengers and Iron Man flicks; while being an absolute equal to Cap in TWS. And while many would say she can carry a film and ask “Where is our stand alone Black Widow flick”, I honestly don’t think they could make that a good film. We’ve had the solo female lead sp/adventurer flicks and while not a steaming pile like so many awful male versions, they weren’t good either (I am thinking of Lucy, Tomb Raider franchise, and Salt specifically).
I just do not think Black Widow is the character to do a stand alone female lead franchise on. I am looking forward to WW and Ms Marvel as well as Ant-Man and the Wasp (not a lead but a true duo). I personally would love to see She-Hulk or Zatanna get their own films…but I doubt it will happen.
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Why did you have to remind me of George Clooney in Bat-nipples? WHY?
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No one said anything about Bat-Nipples until now. Now we are ALL thinking about them.
Thanks, man. Thanks a lot.
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Has she? In what way do you mean? Do you think she’s gotten more screen time or dominates the narrative rather than acts as an adjunct to the men in the film?
why specifically do you think this about her, though?
I do think that some of that might be because these weren’t well written films in general. They were written for the male gaze almost entirely and lacked much depth, which in general was common on many super hero films prior to the MCU, where they finally got the budgets, directors, and writers who actually cared about the stories as stories. [quote=“anon61833566hunter, post:47, topic:100593”]
I am looking forward to WW and Ms Marvel as well as Ant-Man and the Wasp (not a lead but a true duo).
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Me too! But I thought they were doing a Captain Marvel movie, not a Ms. Marvel movie.
Also, Bitch Planet should be made into a film.
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Nostalgia and enthusiasm for WW from lots of people seems to about how she looked in her costume while she was running after villians and how that made them feel, as opposed to her being a powerful super hero who was also a woman. It gets tiresome.
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Gee, we must’ve seen different movies, because I didn’t see that in any of them. Now, if they’d stay closer to the comic-book version of Natasha, I’m sure it would’ve been better (especially her evolution from that horrible ballerina-style outfit, complete with skirt, that she wore prior to her designing the all-black catsuit.
Ms. Marvel? A spin-off of Captain Marvel. She-Hulk? OH PLEASE! Find me a superheroine who didn’t get her powers as the result of being bombarded by radiation emitted by a superhero, or from being his cousin and getting a life-saving transfusion of his blood, or who isn’t the daughter of a superhero.
Good luck!
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HAHAHAHAHAHA!
And men have been allowed to show their nipples for years, so I don’t see the problem.
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IMO watching BW definitely stole the screen time from IM and HH in iron man 2. In turn she actually knocked Hawkeye into next week and stood toe to toe with Banner in the Avengers and I believe did have equal screen time to her avenging counterparts on the whole. She was absolutely integral in CA TWS and while Cap had more screen time she was a close second.
I agree those example films were badly written. In the case of BW I just do not feel she is a strong character for a flick. Part of the allure of her is the mystery of her past. I don’t think it would be interesting to explore that. So if we have something totally in the here and now it becomes a formulaic spy movie. Not my cup of tea tbh.
It is captain marvel more specifically but maybe I’m showing my age. That’s the same character to me. Carol Danvers. I know there was a refresh in the last couple of years. So forgive me for not exactly keeping up with the name changes.
Ms. Marvel is definitely come into her own as a character. They’ve done some great things with Kamala Khan!
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That’s very true - as you said with the photo, I think she’s being confused with the many other Ms Marvels, who could be said to be ‘female versions’ with powers from the same source
( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ms._Marvel )
(There’s been a few, so it’s not that unreasonable an error to make.)
As a terriblemassive geek, to be clear to anyone confused (not you) the current one is, completely unrelated to any of the male or female Marvels, with a very different set of powers, from a completely unrelated source.
She’s, well, basically a Captain Marvel fan, who, when she got her mutantinhuman metamorphing powers took the name as a geektribute.
She kicks arse, in oh-so-many ways and is completely unrelated.
If they made that movie, they’d have my money now. I hope they do. 
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Granted, they’re in the armpit…
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I still wish she wasn’t fighting in wedges under greaves. I guess footwear is still a bridge too far, and even though she switches to flats in some of the action scenes you still need your footwear on fleek in canon.
The trailers do show chemistry not in other D.C. Films, certainly more than Man of Steel or Suicide Squad trailers.
I would say that WB had to start getting their act together with the DC movies sometime, but that’d be snark, so I won’t. 
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Hmm probably more aerodynamic that way?
