[quote=“enso, post:59, topic:79253”]Ah, so your knowledge is superior to every article or study on it that contradicts what you’re saying. Check. I get it.
[/quote]Mortality rates are rising for white women, decreasing for white men:
Mostly in the south:
Sometimes, the media runs with a story, even after they’ve been corrected by other journalists and the scientists involved in the research.
Actually, I’d like to know what venues you frequent where ‘the hate’ is so strong and common. I’m 54, female, post-graduate education, etc. and my reading habits correspond with my (commonly pro-Clinton) demographic. In the WaPo, the New York Times and similar MSM media venues, both the commentariat and the op-eds have been dominated by searingly ugly anti-Sanders agitprop. For months now, but they’ve grown increasingly virulent over the past 3 months.
The NYT comments section in particular has been overwhelmed with seemingly coordinated letter posts that are 1) very polished, 2) very standardized in terms of their length and narrative patterns, and 3) very heavily ‘liked’ by other (?) commenters. Those posts have been relentlessly anti-Sanders.
It’s quite possible, perhaps even likely, that certain online, techie venues have suffered from the opposite kind of flash mobbing. But, I haven’t seen it.
Well, you could probably make the same argument about Obama.
The point is, Clinton’s going to be the Democratic nominee for president, not Sanders, however much you (and I) prefer Sanders’ positions on the issues over hers.
Which leaves us with a choice: who do we want to become the next president? Clinton, or Trump?
It was not true of Obama as candidate. In the job you sometimes have to compromise, but if you start from this position then the compromise is a move to the right.
Mostly in person interactions and not online venues. Other than boingboing I avoid the comments sections of papers. Sanders supporters are rather worked up and frequently on the attack in my personal experience. They also seem to hold the opinion that the entire primary is rigged for Clinton and Sanders is being cheated. I tried to run from one of those conversations earlier today while in line for coffee. I have never had that type of interaction with a Clinton supporter (when you actually find one). I would vote for either one and do not think they would be so different in the White House. Neither of them really excites me though.
“When you actually find one”??? I take from this that you are immersed in a tech/creative class work environment. Even on a university campus I haven’t been subject to this uniformity of opinion.
What I have seen among ‘liberals’ of a certain age (mainly online, a little from the boomer biddies at my liberal church) is an immense amount of supercilious contempt for Sanders and his supporters. It seems to come mainly from people who sounded like Hillary did, c. 40 years ago. To me they reek of envy, and loss of faith, and shivering sadness. They are tragic I think, in the original sense for the word.
the bear owns a Bank…
I dated more than one man in college who looked pretty much exactly like that. It was the times, man, it was the times.
Isn’t that David Brock’s “Correct The Record” in action?
Moderate? Is that what we’re calling a war-mongering, lying, corrupt, unaccountable, bribe-taking, sexual-abuse enabler, statist now?
I’m not sure that word means what you think it means.
And if she does win, she’ll do it with the complicity of all the team-blue sycophants who excuse her reprehensible, lifelong record and give her puff-piece treatment like this.
Oh and I wouldn’t count on Big Dog being around too much. He’ll be jetting around, taking more bribes and palling around with pedophiles like his buddy Epstein.
Just spitballing here but a couple of possible factors are at play here:
Women incomes are increasing at a dramatic rate because the baseline was so low in the past. More women are entering the workplace in the South than in the past. So they are now suffering in greater numbers of the health issues associated with white professional men: Alcohol, tobacco and drug use on the rise, lack of sleep, working too many hours, lack of proper healthcare
The South also has some of the most onerous restrictions on abortion and with that access to inexpensive and convenient professionals specializing in womens health.
The majority of single parents are women. The South has one of the highest unmarried pregnancy and divorce rates in the nation, regionwise.
You lost me at “statist”. Its a term which is being used far too frequently with some truly misbegotten political stances these days.
University here. Not a student. I don’t encounter too many Clinton evangelicals out in the wild.
I hope that didn’t cost someone $200K
Like I said, “Moderate Republican.”
Horrifically wonderful.
Plug in the Numbers and see!
Their pre-election positions on the issues aren’t that far apart – see for yourself.
Barack Obama, June 2008
Hillary Clinton, current
Anyway, the real point is making sure that a certain megalomaniacal, narcissistic, racist bigot doesn’t get elected.
Anyway, the real point is making sure that a certain megalomaniacal, narcissistic, racist bigot doesn’t get elected.
Sure, but when the only realistic option seems to be an even worse one in Trump, it can be tough to get excited about the whole thing.
You don’t think it’s a good thing when a politician changes their stance from a bad position to a good position?
One could argue that Obama “flip-flopped” on same sex marriage. I’m happy to have a President who did so instead of one who stubbornly persisted in advocating bad policy, even after the majority of Americans changed their minds on the issue.
