Since I didn’t get a reply, I’ll politely ask again:
Can you please clarify:
What content was “racist?”
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I was referring to the snowman image which I don’t think is in good taste.
Depends on what you mean by sexual preferences. Where one sits on the Kinsey scale or along the kink spectrum is going to largely come from within, I would say. But what physical appearances one finds attractive, coloration, body shape, etc. is very molded by society.
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Yeah, I think you may be right. Unlike old school porn mags which I’m sure where driven by these factors, online porn allows for millions of ppl from different cultures to search for what they like and also upload content. So I think that there must be more diversity under this system.
Welcome to boing boing, where some of the humor is dark or even questionable.
But there’s a vast difference between something ‘not being in good taste’ and being “nasty and racist,” which is what you initially wrote.
You see, as an inter-sectional person of color and a woman, I strive very hard to be aware of when conversations become laden with personal bias or racial animus.
And frankly, a meme making fun of the demographic that just happens to have the most self-serving privilege doesn’t quite fit the bill, IMO.
*Edited for typos.
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There’s definitely a lot more available, but there is also certainly a mainstream of porn and then there’s other porn which is more marginalized, less promoted and more difficult for the uninitiated to find.
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I remember back in the day, I had to steal my first porno video tape from my then BF; and even still, all he had was mainstream mostly hetero porn featuring blonde white chicks…
(Not to hate on Nina Hartly, though; she’s kind of a legend in her industry.)
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This seems relevant:
That’s a spelled-out version of the message of the snowman meme.
That meme was posted in response to a comment which falsely implied that any mention of white supremacist patriarchy is intended as a silencing tactic. And that style of comment is usually made in an attempt to shut down any critique of said white supremacist patriarchy.
So, in short, the snowman was a relevant and to-the-point response to the comment that preceded it. The requirement that marginalised people censor themselves to avoid offending the dominant class is itself a facet of, you guessed it, white supremacist patriarchy.
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Yeah well, considering what I would guess to be the timeline here, porn back then would have been even more overtly racist. Sadly, that may have been a factor in his choice.
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Right. So you think it’s a good look then, the snowman image? Personally, I think it is a meme that is nasty/racist/poor taste IMO.
I am simply saying, I think that online porn is being driven by users and their preferences/tastes. If people think that its driven by white supremacist views, I disagree. This conversation has since moved on.
Absolutely.
IIRC, Nina was one of the few well known porn stars who would do Interracial porn ‘back then,’ so his tastes we’re too bad, considering his limited options.
*lolz!
Well, it was more than 20 years ago…
*sighs
What you seem to be going out of your way to misunderstand is that “users’ tastes and preferences” are not formed in some generic, isolated bubble outside of society; they are formed by their environment and the media that their lives are saturated with… which is historically, overwhelmingly White, male dominant, and hetero-normative.
That’s just a fact, no matter how uncomfortable acknowledging it may be for some.
Given that it takes more than just one person to converse, that’s literally not up to you to decide, no offense intended.
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That’s SoCal you’re hearing. Source: am dialect coach, though not for porn (that would be…interesting).
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So consider this…
- there are many different cultures/societies on planet earth - true
- these different cultures and societies are NOT overwhelmingly white and they are NOT all dominated by White Man views, eg - India, Japan or China or North Korea. - true
- I am pretty sure that millions of people from such cultures/societies as mentioned above, get on-line and view their porn and contribute to the diversity of what is uploaded and what is popular, based on THEIR preferences.
You disagree?
Riddle me this;
Both television and the movie industry started in America, did they not?
Going from a presumptive affirmative answer, it then stands to reason that America is the driving force that still shapes the motion picture industry, and still affects worldwide perceptions of attractiveness and ‘sex appeal,’ despite the fact that other countries now make their own films which cater to their own demographics specifically.
Likewise, the porn film industry was started in the US in the late 70’s, and the US is still one of the biggest producers and distributors of mainstream porn in the world, so the “US exceptionalism” factor applies to porn as much as it does any other form of mainstream media.
Circular reasoning and mere reiteration ad nauseum won’t negate inconvenient facts, sorry.
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Well industry yeah… but professionally produced porn films have been around since movies have been around… I hadn’t seen nuns with dogs till I saw a compilation of French silent era porn. Haven’t seen it again thankfully. Anyway…
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Fair point; porn in its entirety was legal in Europe long before it was legal here.
There’s a quote in the Deuce where one of the main characters says that porn becoming legal in the US was inevitable because “We’re American; When do we ever leave a dollar on the table for someone else to pick up?”
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America is the driving force that still shapes the motion picture industry, and still affects worldwide perceptions of attractiveness sex appeal = nope
I don’t believe that American influence is a dominating influence in all societies and cultures.
For example: India has ‘bollywood’ and the movies that are produced and adored are very unique to Indian taste/culture NOT dominated by white american imagery.
Porn existed before AMERICA. Did hollywood create the kama sutra? must have been those white supremacists again!
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Annnd you and I done are here; further engagement is clearly pointless.
Feel free to continue conversing with someone else who’s actually interested in continuing to engage you.
Good evening.
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Your indefatigable effort to debate the position you want to instead of the position your interlocutors are taking might be almost admirable if disingenuity could be. We can only hope you get tired of carrying those goal posts.
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