What Trump's treatment of refugees tells you about his plans for Americans

To me, it looks like he’s saying “Muslims, we don’t want any of you here. Keep out.” But it will look to the rest of the world like he’s not only saying that, but also, “No one is welcome here. Take your talents and dreams elsewhere.” That’s an unintended consequence of this action.

So I guess what I’m saying is that Trump is wrong, dumb, and heartless. But he’s also shortsighted, stupid, and a loser. :slight_smile:

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Exactly, hecap! Thanks for that. Trump’s actions are not normal for this (sometimes) great country of ours!

As one commenter said the other night on the PBS Newshour, we know more about these Syrian refugees than we do about Trump’s finances. These people are vetted to within an inch of their lives. I support the refugees’ desire to come here, and welcome to them!

But besides the obvious stuff, there are also other things that Trump and his buddies and supporters aren’t considering with these misbegotten edicts. And those will bite us in the collective butt down the line.

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There’s one other thing that could stop him: the Republicans in Congress deciding that they need a bigger distraction than normal (so they can sneak something through the system without scrutiny) or deciding that they’re better off without his incendiary behavior. If that happens, they will find SOMETHING with which to charge him and impeach him.

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You could be right. I hope not. My default setting is optimist. Cynical, yes, but also an optimist.

Trump has the highest approval ratings he’ll likely ever have, and they’re on a downward curve. Keep up the pressure. Contact your congressional reps, especially if they’re Republican. Most will shift with the winds of public opinion.

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“I want to get off Mr Trump’s Wild Ride”

Really sums up what I continue to feel.

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This will happen the instant enough of his base turns against him. Republican reps are watching and waiting, I guarantee it.

Then, of course, we’ll have to resist Pence and the rest of them.

November 6, 2018, everyone. Memorize and mobilize.

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That is a succinct description of my bafflement at the fact of Cheetoh Mussolini’s election to the office of President of the United States.

:confounded: :cold_sweat: :confused: :angry: :cry:

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Ditto, re the possible brain-drain (or closing off of the “spigot”). An NPR story this morning noted that 51% of current 1 billion dollar (or more; please check me on that) companies in the US were started by immigrants. Also, google that about a third of foreign-born adults in the US have at least college degrees.

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Yes and he keeps talking about “I have a general”

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It’s all part of his psychosis of extreme entitlement and pathological need for ownership. He owns things (which I believe, in his mind, includes people). Recall what he said more than once during the campaign to his adoring ‘bots. “You are my people.” MY people.

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Having people is not scary.
Having generals is.

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above, sir.

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We need ‘outside’ intervention:

Children are innocent
A teenager’s fucked up in the head
Adults are even more fucked up
And elderlies are like children

Will there be another race
To come along and take over for us?
Maybe martians could do
Better than we’ve done
We’ll make great pets!
We’ll make great pets!
We’ll make great pets!
We’ll make great pets!
We’ll make great pets!
We’ll make great pets!
We’ll make great pets!
We’ll make great pets!

My friend says we’re like the dinosaurs
Only we are doing ourselves in
Much faster than they
Ever did
We’ll make great pets!
We’ll make great pets!
We’ll make great pets!
We’ll make great pets!
We’ll make… (Pets, by Porno for Pyros)

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I feel like we are through the looking glass, that everything has flipped, and I hear myself saying all the crazy stuff the right-wingers were saying the past 8 years. I am ready to go out and install a bunker in case of the impending race riots.

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What I said was true of any president, except I missed:

/3. Impeachment (thanks @Steve_L)
/4. President gives a shit whether their actions are constitutional and can listen to people telling them their actions are not constitutional

Nothing about what limits the power of the president is new. What’s new is electing a president for whom (4) doesn’t apply even in the slightest. I’m not even 100% sure impeachment would stop him. It’s possible he’d attempt to reverse that and dismantle congress, and government agencies with guns would have to choose which side to back. Now, I feel pretty confident they’d choose the constitution over Trump, but it really does come down to the personalities involved. Again, this is true of all US presidents ever, it’s just Trump is the first one I can imagine actually attempting this.

A country ruled by laws rather than people simply can’t be, no matter how much we wish it could. If people want the constitution to matter, they have to vote for people who will uphold it, it can’t actually defend itself.

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Especially when you see what counts as “the border.”

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Yep. He also said, “Look at my African-American over here.”

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It isn’t new. George W. Bush started a war based on “alternative facts”. He implemented a policy that was unlawful (torture). He and his cronies (Cheney in particular) also had business interests related to their political activities. Sounds familiar eh? What was the reaction of the american public then? Instead of impeachment and prosecution of those involved he got re-elected!
Why should Trump change his behavior? He knows that he can get away with it, exactly like his predecessor (Bush, not Obama). He even pushes the same buttons: whipping up a rabid nationalist frenzy and blaming the muslim terrorist.

I do think you’re right. Trump is probably more dangerous than Bush because he isn’t entrenched in the political establishment and could go further than Bush, who was bound to political customs by his heritage.

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I forgot about that one. Made him sound like a slave-owner making a feeble attempt at political correctness.

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That’s cute…
Just wait until CBP starts stopping folks in the Constitution-Free zones to check on religion/nationality.

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