Maybe, but I really don’t think people understand the level of depopulation and the cost of maintaining the infrastructure for sextuple your population. If you moved the entire population of Atlanta (city limits not metro) into Cleveland, it would still be down from where our population was in the 20s. You could also fit a Miami (city limits not metro) with the Atlanta in Cleveland + its inner ring suburbs without cresting our former highs. You could fit half of a Phoenix (proper) in Detroit to get up to its former peak. Right now empty homes pose and active threat to health and safety because of that vacancy. There’s a reason the region has led the country in arson for ages.
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Forest fires are probably why most of the mountain West is on the list.
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I’m going to move from coastal CA to northern NM, likely far away enough so I avoid any inland sea. Then (with our lack of water), I’ll farm sandtrout, and set up a nice little business with handmade makerhooks so all the local kiddies can catch a ride to school.
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It’s a bit of a morally bankrupt question, isn’t it?
The real answer is there is no escape. This summer, the town of Lytton in British Columbia, experienced the highest temperature ever recorded in Canada. The next day the entire town was obliterated in a wildfire. If you’re thinking you can go somewhere on this planet to be safe, you don’t understand climate change.
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I will listen in a bit, but Cleveland is a pretty nice city. I used to go to the Clinic there once a year.
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Chicago is going to go to hell soon, with all those migrants flooding across our southern border from Texas, Missouri, Arkansas.
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I guess it’s a relative term, like saying modern-day Mexico was the best place in North America to escape the last ice age.
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I thought this was going to be a bit more serious, but I checked out when I saw Alabama and Mississippi labeled “East Racist” and “West Racist”, or whatever.
Back in 2017, the EPA ranked the counties of the United States by climate resilience. I have some issues with some of their methodology (namely racially homogenous is better, due to “social cohesion”), but according to them, it looked like to me Montana and Maine were the places to be. (Good luck moving there if you’re not white. You’ll hurt the “social cohesion”.)
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it’s sometimes okay to mix levity with serious topics – it keeps the brain engaged, and provides some emotional relief.
that said, i’m still scratching my head over ohio being relabeled france…
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That was my first thought when Buffalo, NY was mentioned. This plan also overlooks the increasing number of jobs that won’t involve getting into a car for long commutes, and master-planned communities created to be walkable, as well as bike and tech-friendly.
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It’s already pretty crazy. I assume its similar (or will be) inland, but along the west coast every single year schools won’t let kids outside for a few days because of the smoke, you brush that ash off your patio and windowsills. The worst is having to evacuate, kind of guess what to grab, which direction to drive, how far, and hope hotels aren’t booked up (and you have spare cash for it). It seems weird that’s just normal now and will likely get worse.
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I also live in Denver. 5 years ago we purchased a place near Estes Park, thinking that would stay cooler and be a good retirement option (still maybe 5 years out). The fires last year got within 2.5 miles (in two directions) of our property, and we are now re-thinking that decision…with urgency!
It’s sad. Denver’s a great city with great people, and Colorado has a lot going for it (at the moment) but if we can’t count on our little spot being there in a few years, we may have to find another one. We’re fortunate that we can probably do that. Most can’t!
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The science on that is really weird and in flux for the southern shore of the western half of Lake Erie, covering Cleveland and Buffalo. The added heat is probably going to make early storm systems bigger. On the other hand the disturbance in the jet stream will often mean an earlier surface freeze for the lake, which shuts off the mammoth lake effect snow machine. No two projections I’ve seen agree on likely seasonal trends long term.
Escape is too far, but you aren’t as likely to be under water, without water, or on fire in that area, which is a plus.
Ohio was part of New France. When I’m arguing that Cleveland should be given back to Connecticut I sometimes have to cite old maps of the region to argue why we should be part of, Quebec, Connecticut, or France, rather than being tied to the rest of the state.
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Thar be challenges in the Windy City as well…
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Also consider that the major snowfall actually happens in the hills south of the city proper. You can easily move into a north Buffalo neighborhood and never see more than a foot of snow, while towns south of the city will get several.
Buffalo and NY in general already sell beer in the grocery stores. Additionally Buffalo’s bars stay open until 4am.
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At 7:52 in the video:
And Buffalo […] just happened to elect a Socialist mayor, so that’s kind of cool.
Not quite. The video was posted October 19, 2021, and at that point, the general election hadn’t even happened yet. The Socialist candidate—India Walton—had won the Democratic primary.
At this point, it doesn’t look like she will win the general election. There isn’t an official result yet, because the votes haven’t all been counted.
Walton says she will only concede if she is still losing after all votes are counted. The Erie County Board of Elections won’t begin the process of counting any write-in votes until Nov. 15.
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Every time I - a Detroiter - have taken part in one of those Cleveland vs Detroit arguments, I always easily shut down the Cleveland side and win the battle. How? I mention that I have lived in the metro Detroit area for all but three of my now 55 years, and the biggest rat I’ve seen in my life was in Cleveland, during a 90s Undercurrents festival.
I was at The Flats with my then-BF and one of the bands with whom we were living (our roomies comprised two bands, and members thereof played with three more), and he & I both saw a rat that was much bigger than any opossum either of us (he’s a Filthydelphia native) had ever seen. I’ve had cats who were smaller, and even Jamaican rats are much smaller than that fucker was. My BF jumped and screamed, and began running away while I stood pointing and laughing at the rat and then him.
All rivalry aside, I have visited Cleveland twice (for Undercurrents and to visit a college friend of my roomies who’s also a musician), and very much enjoyed it. Too bad the museum was closed the day our pal took me there; I know they have a V nice Ancient Egyptian collection whom I’d’ve loved meeting.
Mom worked as a computer tech for Burroughs (later called Unisys) and took off for periodic out of town training courses. She went to Atlanta and Chicago, I think a coupla other places too, and once was sent to Syracuse. She was soon informed that wags call it Siber-acuse, and was glad the class wasn’t during winter. I bet they get a lot less snow these days, 30+ years after her visit.
A friend moved to Colorado Springs from Detroit in the mid-to-late 80s. She said her 1st winter there was what she’d expected from CO: bitter cold - waaaay colder than Detroit, windy AF, feet and feet of snow, and it seemed to go on forever. The next was only about as bad as a really bad Detroit one. The ones that followed? She said she might as well have been in Michigan, there was so little difference. Seeing such a dramatic change over a mere handful of years really freaked her.
There are many reasons to love Detroit.
Diversity
Dearborn, MI is home to more members of the Middle Eastern diaspora than anywhere in the world. We also have a massive Latin population, based mostly in Mexicantown in Southwest Detroit. It’s shockingly easy to find Middle Eastern food that compares V well with the home countries;’ same with our Latin restaurants.
There are also superb seafood restaurants on the Lower East Side and points north, by Lake St Clair.
They do find some mighty big fish in the Detroit River, too, also.
Great street names
Urban wildlife
Fantastic neighborhoods, like Woodbridge
with fantastic historic homes, like ours:
Hooray for the Rust Belt!
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Likewise, this year Portland, OR recorded a higher temperature than EVER recorded in Dallas, Houston, San Antonio or El Paso TX.
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I will admit that we seem to have some shockingly large rats. To be fair, while I’ve seen the truly monster sized ones, I’ve only seen 2.
Our numbers aren’t Dearborn high, but they are high for a lot of the same reasons and the restaurants remain. Our really high concentrations are in Hungarian and Slovenian populations.
Seriously, hit the museum. The Egyptian stuff is awesome, but I think on first visit the armor court always manages to catch more eyes. If you visit one of my favorite pieces is near the Egyptian wing, Statuette of a Woman: Stargazer. It’s this perfect little bronze age statue and just expands and contracts time to think about. It was so long ago, but the look is also so modern.
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I have spent less than a total of 2 weeks in Cleveland, over 2 different road trips, so I guess I was just lucky! 
I love Eastern Yurpeen food. Detroit has two weird little cities within its borders, one being Hamtramck (ham’-TRAM-ick or Hamsammich to the wags). Hamtramck is an interesting mix of Poles, Albanians and other Balkanites, Russians, Middle Easterners, East Asian Muslims, Blacks, cool white folks - mostly artists and/or musicians, and annoying white hipsters. There are fabulous eateries everywhere you look, lotsa brilliant little neighborhood bars (try a giant bottle of Żywiec beer [pron. ZEE-vee’-us] served with a big healthy shot of Jezynowka [pron. Yezshy-znoo-vka or just Yezshy] - a blackberry brandy), awesome resale shops, and many cool galleries. There’s also an unbelievable furniture store fulla mindbendingly tacky white-and-gold painted furniture, including living room stuff complete w/plastic-wrapped cushions.
The Detroit Institute of Arts has an armor hallway at the main entrance, featuring pieces from w.r. hearst’s collection. For a brief moment in time, I coulda fit into some of them 
That statuette sounds wonderful.
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