Guys, racism is over. Just look at how over it is by these crying whites in the thread.
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Whilst I hold George Zimmerman 100% responsible for Trayvon Martinâs death, and would like to have seen him locked up for a long time because heâs a dangerous lunatic, Iâll leave this here:
I wasnât surprised by the result, in fact I donât think any other result was likely.
No less an authority then Justice Antonin Scalia said so, so all this rage is about nothing. Surely the NRA is right now working hard to arm all young black men so they can stand their ground.
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Full disclosure: I am a firearms owner and an advocate of armed self-defense. That said, Iâm agreeing with those who are outraged and disappointed by the verdict in the Zimmerman case.
From the start thereâs been a shit-ton of dishonesty from Zimmerman and his defenders, especially his non-disclosure of funds available to him and trying to covertly move said funds while in custody. Thereâs the previously-mentioned âHulk Trayvonâ photos that were widely spread by neo-nazis in order to portray Trayvon Martin as a burly thug instead of the gangly teenager he actually was. There were also the rumors spread (and still spreading) that Arizona iced tea and Skittles are part of the formula for a street drug no oneâs ever heard of. Thereâs the issue that someone who was supposedly having his head bashed into a concrete sidewalk by a monster intent on killing him sustained NO injury requiring more than a band-aid. Thereâs the question of how exactly Zimmerman was able to draw his weapon while this was happening to him. Of course thereâs also the massive riots Zimmermanâs supporters predicted that never materialized. Every last bit of it informed almost entirely by racism.
I just donât buy that things went down the way Zimmerman says they did. But the prosecution did a lackluster job on the case and honestly I agree with daneel that there really wasnât any other likely result. Trayvon Martin was convicted in this case before his body had even finished cooling. There was no danger of âpolitical correctness gone madâ resulting in a conviction for George Zimmerman because the political correctness of every white person who looked at Trayvon Martin and saw a worthless thug spoke far louder.
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I tried to make this point to someone but they kept arguing that following someone is not an aggressive act and a person has no reason to feel threatened if they are being followed. I really do not understand that way of thinking.
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These cops let Zimmerman go home after five hours and decided after two weeks not to bother pressing charges. In your situation, I would assume that a black man would have been stuck in jail during this time. Thinking about what would have happened if the races were reversed makes me wonder how much evidence was never gathered because the cops decided so quickly that it must be self-defense.
Too bad Zimmerman did not consider that before he started following Martin.
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An excellent point. There were some complaints from Zimmerman defenders about how Martinâs hands didnât show any gunshot residue or DNA from Zimmerman because his hands hadnât been bagged by the police, which sounds exactly like, âWe donât need it, we know what happened.â. Inexcusably sloppy and more than likely because they (like many other people) took one look at Martin and saw a criminal despite a lack of any evidence other than that offered by Zimmerman. As the shooter, Zimmerman would have every reason to lie, they should not have just taken his word for it.
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For the people who really think Zimmerman is a racist and just shot the kid because he was black, I recommend you watch the following video and really listen to all the facts rather than the spin the mainstream media has put on this case.
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Educate yourselves: http://www.dlas.org/questions-zimmerman-verdict/
Iâm sure a National Review and Faux News staffer will give us all the facts the evil liberal media has covered up. We can always count on them to be objective.
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I think the mainstream media clearly streamlined the facts in order to tell the narrative they wanted. After learning several things that were documented, but not widely reported, I donât think Zimmerman is the racist he was painted to be, and I donât think Trayvon was just an innocent âkidâ buying candy.
Itâs not like this situation is unique, the media constantly spins news in one direction or another. Usually which ever one will get the most ratings.
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Hello first-time posters @ndelgrande and @ntnwwnet .
Summary of some of the video:
(1) Martin knew "âmixed martial artsâ moves.
(2) Martin was violent and highly sexualized - typical of people involved in âhip-hop cultureâ.
(3) Martinâs school lied about something he did (chose not to report that he stole something) because it would reflect badly on crime rates by black people.
(4) Martin got his candy and drink to get high.
(5) His drug use made him paranoid and aggressive.
(6) Zimmerman was not racist at all ever.
(7) Martin was âwaiting for Zimmermanâ.
@ndelgrande: Martinâs drug use and past crimes cannot be used to justify Zimmerman following and then killing him. Also, the autopsy does not show that Martin was high at the time he was murdered, so how is his alleged drug use relevant? The fact that a witness claimed that Martin was using mixed martial arts âmovesâ does not change the fact that Zimmerman was the one who was training in MMA and out-weighed Martin by more than 25 pounds. It just means that Martin might have leaned towards a confrontation rather than leading the person who was following him to his house. Zimmerman may have been generally nice to black people. but he still profiled Martin and you cannot argue that the police would have been so lenient with Zimmerman and lax with their evidence collection if Martin had been white.
@ntnwwnet: Putting up a link which admits that it is biased is not very convincing. Did you know that Zimmerman outweighed Martin by more than 25 pounds? Did you know notice in the reenactment video that Zimmerman demonstrates how Martin slammed his head into the concrete using clenched fists? But there were no injuries around Zimmermanâs ears? Did you hear Zimmerman describing how Martin saw the gun and reached for it, but Zimmerman was able to pin his arm, grab the gun, aim, and shoot before Martin could react? Odd how Zimmerman wasnât able to defend himself before that, isnât it? Did you know that just after the shooting Zimmerman described Martin as jumping âout of the bushesâ, but that the reenactment video shows no bushes nearby? I also find it interesting that your link wants to both describe Zimmerman as not racist and show that he had very good reasons for assuming that a black person walking down the street was obviously up to something.
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Oh yes, the oh-so-unbiased âHAVE YOU SEEN THESE GANGSTA THUG PICTURES OF TRAYVON MARTIN?!?â site. I love this shit.
Were you aware of the fact that Trayvon was nearly 6-feet tall and 158 pounds
Iâm 5â9" and 160 pounds. If I were six feet tall, I wouldnât look like a combat monster, Iâd look like a scarecrow mated with a praying mantis.
Were you aware of the fact that, in 2004, Zimmerman and a black friend started a business together (an Allstate insurance office)?
OMG He has a black friend he canât be racist and no one has ever before in history used this to dodge accusations of racism.
Were you aware of the fact that an eye witness said he saw Martin on top of Zimmerman punching him âMMA styleâ during the struggle before the shots were fired?
Iâm aware that once it came out that Zimmerman had MMA training, all of his defenders started talking about what Martin supposedly did to Zimmerman entirely in MMA terms as if Martin had the training.
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And there you have it. Zimmerman was found innocent in a court of law despite some strong indication to the contrary, so any suggestion otherwise is asking for a return to lynching; but you are happy to say Martin wasnât innocent, since heâs already been executed. And then you can wonder why anyone would think thereâs a double standard.
For the record, the media has done anything but spin this in one direction. Zimmerman has a lot of apologists out there, with all sorts of clever spin like putting âkidâ in scare quotes to cover the fact that a minor was shot.
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So long, never posted in any other threads guy! Weâll miss you!
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there are ethnically european hispanics, just as there are ethnically native and ethinically african hispanics. itâs not really cut and dry, but if we donât make an effort to learn stuff, we canât make informed good faith arguments. hereâs a good jumping off point https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Brazilian
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thereâs a different between being white, white supremacy, and whiteness. youâre displaying the classic âmy opinion is more sound than your lived experienceâ fallacy.
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[quote=âmark_a_everhart, post:52, topic:6137, full:trueâ]
How is this unjust? Zimmerman was attacked, he defended himself. If anything the verdict seems very just to me.[/quote]
You canât be for real. George Zimmerman stalked and chased down an unarmed man walking home in the middle of the night doing nothing to threaten anyone. Trayvon Martin defended himself. Zimmerman had a gun and Martin had no way to know his assailant wasnât trying to mug or kill him. Martin went for the gun to save his life. Zimmerman pulled it and shot Martin dead. I have no way of knowing if Zimmerman is a racist, and itâs irrelevant to this particular miscarriage of justice. The only person who knows if he would have chased someone who wasnât black is Zimmerman. He took action that forced a man to defend himself and that man is now dead because of it. Martinâs death is on Zimmerman, not Martin. Thatâs at least manslaughter by any rational definition. If Florida law doesnât recognize that, then the law is unjust and should be changed.
And yes, the media was totally remiss in its duties, sensationalizing the story to monetize it and re-reporting misreports about laws that had nothing to do with the case. Treyvon Martin stood his ground, just as I would have done if a stranger stalked and chased me in the middle of a stormy night. And Iâm a white pro-Second Amendment Texan.
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Actually, chances are, even he doesnât know. Thatâs the thing about such prejudices, theyâre often invisible even to people who have them.
I donât know for sure, Iâve never interacted with him, but Iâm perfectly willing to accept the possibility that George Zimmerman is a generally nice man who doesnât intentionally treat anybody differently based on their race. Iâm willing to accept that he genuinely believed Trayvon was up to no good, not because he was black, but just because he (George) got a bad âgut feelingâ about him. And, following that, that he might claim, and truly believe, that if it was a white guy, he would have followed him just the same (particularly now, when to believe otherwise is to admit to himself that heâs a racist and may have killed the guy because of it). But your instincts are not magic oracles, theyâre informed by your mind and all the prejudices that go into them from your upbringing, from the media, and a host of other sources. And itâs quite possible that his blackness was a large factor of what went into the instinctual stew.
And I donât blame him for that, itâs hard to control for. What I do blame him for is his actions. Regardless of the kidâs race, or his reason for believing he was up to no good, he took a gun and he stalked him, after informing the police his suspicions, and after being told by them not to do so. He didnât wait for police. And when confronted by the person he was stalking, well, we donât know what happened. What we do know is that he had a gun and the other guy didnât. Maybe he felt threatened when Martin jumped out, and he pulled the gun defensively, and Martin saw the gun and thought âOh, man, this guyâs going to kill me!â and attacked to get the gun out of his hands, and a fight of misunderstandings ensued where both people thought they were in a struggle for their lives and one person had to die. Maybe Martin attacked without seeing a gun, based on being stalked alone, and, in the struggle, Zimmerman thought he was going to die, got the gun, and shot it. Again, we donât know, even the witness testimony is partial and confused.
But what we know is that, but for the wholly out-of-line actions of George Zimmerman before the confrontation, this event would never have happened. That makes him morally responsible. Legally? Iâm not all that outraged at his acquittal, under the laws, it makes sense, and it was a difficult situation, and we believe âinnocent until proven guiltyâ for a reason, if there was reasonable doubt, he should not be convicted even if we really do think he was responsible. Iâm outraged at the laws that let the situation happen, and the racism, conscious or unconscious, that went into both the initial confrontation and the police investigation and how they treat other, similar events where the races involved are different.
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