I see the Guardian are having kittens about Corbyn, though.
ETA a Mark Steel piece in the Indy on Labour/Corbyn
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Theyâve been Tory Pravda for years now.
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Itâs fucking hilarious, isnât it? So very many cross Blairites floundering and fuming. Yvette Cooperâs interview in the Observer the other day was pathetic.
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I canât see how itâs Corbynâs fault that Cooper and Burnham are so uninspiring. Maybe they should have tried to present something appealing rather than just telling people Corbynâs the Antichrist.
And Kendallâs a LD, if Iâm being generous.
And for all that, the removal of John Smith from Blairite history pisses me off.
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That is excellent. I love Mark Steel. Iâma vote for Corbyn. I am both a union member, and a genuine, dyed-in-the-wool working-class Oppressed Mass, so they might find me unsuitable too, though Iâve only had nice emails from them all so far (having said that, Iâve had nothing from Liz Kendall yet, though she may still be busy sacrificing babies to gain enough occult power to blackball trade unionists en masse, I suppose),
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I really, really hope Sanders pulls this off, as I can see it helping Corbyn in our general election a few years down the line, and hopefully the Left in Europe as a whole.
(Why yes, I am drunk. Fuck all yâall. Itâs made me optimistic)
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Just⊠wow.
The brazen corruption on display beggars belief: âWaaah! Fuck off, youâre not allowed to kick me in the arse because I have my snout in the trough!â
May Corbyn wipe the floor with these filthy scum.
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Yep, looks like the BBC is parroting some of our American corporate media doctrines on Bernie.
For some strange reason, the American public seems to increasingly feel otherwise:
Itâs now just a matter of short time until Bernie Sanders becomes a household name for most Americans. He was featured within his own segment on The Tonight Show with Jimmy Fallon the other night. The premise was how much ass heâs kicking in this race so far.
And, like usual, Fallon just mentioning Sandersâ name brought upon very loud cheers from the audience. This keeps happening on other talk shows including Seth Myers, Jon Stewart, Maher, Conan, etc. - Thereâs undeniably a lot of growing, widespread passion across this nation in support of Bernie. A lot of the polls arenât going to reflect this due to their outdated methodologies (reliance on landlines, etc.), corporate media bias, etc. â However, even despite these severe handicaps the polls are still coming around weekly in showing remarkable growth for Sanders.
The corporate news media is begrudgingly beginning to be forced to mention Sanders when they mention other candidates (potential or otherwise) running, etc.
I mean, they still try to push the Clinton/Bush narrative overall, but thatâs wearing increasingly thin as time and Sandersâ obvious unrelenting surge continues.
The more people learn about Sanders, the more they support him. On the other hand, the more people hear Clinton pander, the more they distrust her. This is reflected in poll after poll.
The really scary thing for Clinton and the establishment is what they donât know. The grassroots movements surrounding Sanders are succeeding in expanding at a rapid rate. Whether that be POC, some types of conservatives or just the nation at large.
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I really, really hope Sanders pulls this off, as I can see it helping Corbyn in our general election a few years down the line, and hopefully the Left in Europe as a whole.
[/quote]It wonât be Sanders that pulls it off alone, thatâs for sure. Itâs the efforts of our grassroots movements across the nation (and in some cases, the world) thatâs pulling the majority of the weight. And, weâve got vastly more strategy, drive and fortitude than Clintonâs minions can even fathom.
As itâs been from the beginning, itâs going to be a helluva fight but weâre in this to win. Others and myself have been up against greater odds than this and we still pulled it off (despite the many naysayers). I donât see why we canât do it again (despite the many naysayers).
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Yeah, thatâs what I meant, honest 
Corbyn seems to be doing the same thing. I am thinking that going doorknocking in marginals in 2020 is a thing Iâm gonna do. These /fuckers need to get the message, good and hard.
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Donât you live in the constituency that gets the vote counting done for Labour in like 45 mins?
Nah, up the road in Newcastle. Iâm from Sunderland, but thatâs no reason to live there. Quite the opposite, in fact. Theyâre both safe seats anyhoo. Iâm thinking more of going on the road. My girlfriendâs brother is a long-time grassroots campaigner and activist, heâll know where folks are needed.
@Cowicide: I really do think that Sanders and your inestimable good selves pulling this off would really help other countries do the same thing. Plz to kick these fuckersâ asses, yes? For all our sakes.
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We will fight this to the death. I know others and myself have had some health issues weâre putting aside among many other vital personal things because we understand how important this is â not just for the United States, but for the entire world in some respects.
Itâs not hate for the other side that drives us, itâs love for family, country and the world thatâs at our core. That said⊠yes, weâll kick these fuckersâ asses until we canât anymore.
Itâs just too damn important.
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Bern-dog, can you put this into perspective?
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Ahoy, are you subscribed to Bernie2016TV? It kinda sucks right now, and it needs some help. How do we make it better and do what I was writing about?
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âŠAlthough that would be enough alone.
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Jill Stein says hello. Her campaign announcement in June:
In fact, the criminal justice section of Green platform says, verbatim, âBan private prisons,â and has opposed them and the war on drugs at least since 2000 (pdf). These are part of a much more comprehensive section on social justice, one of their core values, full of many other âfuck yesâ ideas that Democrats could coopt. Check it out and pass it along.
At least since 2012:
The Green Party recognizes that our nationâs ostensibly color-blind systems of law enforcement and crime control, from police practices to prosecutorial prerogatives, to mandatory sentencing and zero-tolerance have effectively constituted an ubiquitous national policy of racially selective mass incarceration, a successor to Jim Crow as a means of social control, a policy that must be publicly discussed, widely recognized, and ultimately reversed. The nearly universal, though largely unspoken nature of this policy makes piecemeal reforms not accompanied by public discussion of the larger policy ineffective outside the context of a broad social movement.
Though a work in progress, this is what to expect from a platform that grows democratically, from the grassroots, rather than in back-room deals or campaign-trail improvisation, and that represents a diverse organization of activists, rather than politicians paying lip-service when it becomes expedient.
In July, Greens held their national meeting in St. Louis, where their keynote speaker was James Lane, who addressed police brutality and other injustices faced by people of color. They then rallied with Black Lives Matter and Socialist Alternative in front of the Ferguson police station, where Jill Stein spoke.
If you share these principles, help spread and amplify them rather than bemoaning their rarity, that they may inform and inspire action at all levels of government and beyond it. Solidarity is better shown by contributing your voice or your vote to those activists who enthusiastically join fellow activists than to those politicians who need activists to lead them by the nose. And consider donating to Greens, since they donât accept money from corporations or PACs.
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I agree about Stein. The Greenâs are great and I agree with many of their platforms. But two points, which are competing ideas about the reality of outsiders getting into political power in our current top-down, PAC heavy environment.
The question about the Greens comes down to their ability to get into national offices. Is their local success and lack of national presence helpful? I think that is indeed a question worth considering and discussing. Iâm not arguing either way, just wanting to deal with the reality weâre living with. Given the supremacy of the two major parties, how does a third break through? When has it happened historically? The last time it happened was in the late 1850s with the republicans after the whigs feel apart over the issue of slavery. The next attempt to break into the mainstream was with the Populist party, and that was undermined by the very popular William Jennings Bryan running as a democrat on the populist platformâŠ
Second is the issue of shepherding which several commenters have brought up in this thread, the idea that Sanders is meant to bring the left back into the democratic fold. I donât think thatâs the goal of Sanders, but rather, that might be the effect. That doesnât assume a conspiracy, but it does assume an effect, that people who would otherwise vote for Stein will vote for Sanders because they think he can take the nomination.
I think we all realize that money is driving both the Republicans and Democrats and both cater to monied interest. the parties benefit from those interests and will work to discipline itâs members to that interests, no matter what they actually say. Hence, we do ourselves a disservice supporting the mainstream parties⊠but how do we give third parties visibility given the realities of corporate control of the media and modes of communications (yes, that includes social media, which as varied as it is, is STILL for-profit corporate media).
So⊠I donât know the right answer here. I love the Greens and Stein, I like Sanders, too. The reality maybe that neither have a chance come the election. National elections might just be lost and focusing locally might be the only way to go.
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I like the Greens a lot (in fact, I voted for them in the UK this year). But they canât and wonât win a Presidential election.
Stein is great for their publicity, and elected Greens at low level (along with elected Socialists) would be great.
George Wallace in 1968? Won 5 states.
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Yes, there is no need to think of this as just a problem on the left. I think what made Wallace different was his already heightened visibility due to his actions during the push for full integration. Ultimately, Nixon was able to pull away the voters who didnât want to feel so very close to segregationists. Since then, how has parties on the far right weathered? Not much better than those on the left, actually.
Or you could also argue that Perot made some inroads, but to what end? Plus,he was able to do that because he was so wealthy. Clearly, the Greens arenât.
Maybe we need proportional representation here, but from seeing the rest of the world, that comes with itâs own set of problems.
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How do we make it better and do what I was writing about?
[/quote]Hereâs the main channel I like on YouTube for Bernie Sanders clips, etc.:
Not sure what to do to make videos better on the other channel.
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