Why (or why not) to vote for Bernie Sanders

Wow, here’s an idea: if there is a tie, call it a tie! Give 0.5 to each and see how it adds up. Six coin flips my ass.

(ETA: Don’t flip fucking coins. There is random.org, there is having a third party pick 0 or 1 and each of Sanders and Clinton pick 0 or 1 then add them all up mod 2 with 0 going to clinton and 1 going to sanders so that no one can rig the thing, there are other ways to do it. Coin is bullshit.)

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Whenever the headlines are all ZOMG IT’S A TIE!!1! I infer that shenanigans are in effect.

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i have done none of that.

I believe it is a system (like with Gerrymandering) designed, employed, and used by the politically savvy and connected to inch results (generally, always, and NOT specifically about these coins you insist other people are inferring things about in political races, this week). See also: SuperDelegates.

You are free to misrepresent me. Maybe it was accidental?

Off Topic, but from the BBS article:

According to John Moriarty, Reader in Mathematics at Queen Mary University London, there would have been a one-in-64 or 1.6% chance of Clinton winning all six flips.

I think I’ll be laughing about this all day. Nice appeal to authority on the odds of coin flips. Thanks John Moriarty, what we have done without you?

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I think it’s telling that the journalists involved needed to ask for outside help on a simple probability calculation.
And that they thought it needed a mathematics lecturer to explain it for the audience.

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I’d be interested to know what people think of this:

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Ugh. It’s irritates me no end. As if they know better about our lives and political views. I’m not voting for Sanders because I’m “boy crazy”, but because he represents my political views far better than clinton. That’s it. I think he has more of a feminist platform than Clinton does.

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I agree with you.

I wonder if Hillary will try to redefine or otherwise muddy the waters on what a feminist is now, the way she did “progressive” last week.

I hope she does not win. This is not the time to try to move the status quo mere inches. The recalcitrant generation is no longer in power - many of them are now dead. We have 8 years of a guy who had the money people try to ruin the NATION when he was elected. And despite it we have some momentum in the economy because they didn’t succeed.

We COULD move forward together now, with better enforcement of fairer rules regarding income (and not the semantics of what that means) - and Bernie is the candidate who seems to just get that.

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now THAT would be gaslighting.

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It’s difficult. I understand that symbolically a female President is an important hurdle that should have been cleared years ago.

I’m not saying that Clinton is Thatcher (because obviously she isn’t), but was her becoming Prime Minister a great thing for feminism? (Where’s the UK now? Back with old Etonians running the show) - but the Labour Party put up two female options for leadership and both were uninspiring - there could perhaps be an argument that women are not free to be as radical as male candidates?

I still think this is a load of crap, because all the ‘Bernie Bros’ would have been supporting Elizabeth Warren at least as fervently, and Clinton’s campaign would be dead and buried.

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I’d easily back Warren and I do understand the importance of electing a woman. But I’m not going to sacrifice my politics just to say I voted for a woman. I wouldn’t vote for Sarah Palin or Carly Fiorina, because I don’t believe they have my best interests at heart. So, I’m not going to vote for Clinton for the same reason, just because she proclaims to be closer to my views than Palin/Fiorina.

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the “Bernie Bros”? That crap you’re smelling… did you check your own shoe?

And maybe it could have been. But the candidates DO have to actually jump the hurdle. And calling the supporters of her opponents trite nicknames does not help her jump higher (ETA: or him), or make it less evident that of the two candidates, she is not clearly the better one.

Throwing dirt only costs you ground.

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I’m not calling Sanders supporters names, I am one.

I was trying to suggest that I think that nickname is a load of shite, hence the scare quotes.

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I basically picked up feminism by reading Steinem. It is really hard to take when people you looked up to turn out to be giant idiots. But what can you do. At some point, old people start yelling about the kids these days. I’m not looking forward to it happening to me, but the evidence says it will.

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it depends on your attitude toward it… i mean if you do just for fun and the simple recognition that pop culture really doesn’t matter to you anymore then it is fine.

Those two pretend feminists can go piss up a rope.

Clinton = more goddamn patriarchy, just in drag. Just like Obama improved things so much for black folks.

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well, scare quotes look a lot like quotes to us plebes. If only there were a sarcasm tag.

Some of us started as kids. :open_mouth:

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WaPo.

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Who does this reflect badly on?

Will Bill have to make nice at the convention (again)?