Why (or why not) to vote for Bernie Sanders

I would have preferred “slandered” as a title, but you go with what you’ve got.

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I wasn’t able to make it to his Seattle rally yesterday. Seemed to be popular, though.

People couldn’t all get in.

Biden is here today (not sure why), and I think Clinton is coming later this week?
Be interesting to see what sort of numbers she gets.

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Yeah, here they are asking for RSVPs via his web site. It’s at the Convention Center, though, which is the biggest venue we have outside of the outdoor sports stadiums. There’s a lot of interest, so it may be crazy.

Same here re RSVPs.

But even then people were lining up at 5am in the rain, apparently, 9 hours before the doors opened.

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Hmmm. I may have to re-think my plan of heading down there via the trolley an hour or so before it starts!

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A Facebook friend mentioned waiting 4 hours at the Seattle rally and being turned away.

When I went to one of the St. Louis rallies there was an RSVP thing but there was no actual need for it at the event itself; it may just be a tool to estimate interest levels in different locations or something.

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The one I went to was at a high school gym. There turned out to be about 2200 people in the gym and I don’t know how many in the overflow room. We got there about 8 AM; the doors opened at 9:30; we got through security at about 10:20; Bernie spoke at about 1 PM.

There was another St. Louis area rally the next day, and I’d that he’d also visited earlier but I hadn’t heard anything about that.

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Seems like a few Dems want Sanders to just shut up and go away, and stop making Clinton look bad.

It’s all about the party, see.

Wouldn’t do to let some of us West Coasters express an opinion first, or anything like that.

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Fuck the Democratic Party. Bunch of Corpocrats.

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Who is Arnold Steinberg and what is this drivel?

Bernie Sanders and Judaism

Bernie reportedly has “prophetic sensibility,” whatever that means. Here’s the key — Bernie’s religion is socialism; self-hating Jew Karl Marx remains its false idol. Nick Wing in the Huffington Post said Bernie is “a self-described democratic socialist raised by Jewish parents.” For Bernie it is socialism that is spiritual, even if it violates the eighth commandment, “you shall not steal.”

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Call that a rally? I don’t see any protesters getting beaten up. How does he think he’s presidential material if he can’t even get that right?

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Holy shit!

I think this is hurting the party. The more Sanders supporters see what the Democratic party thinks of them, the more they are going to consider staying home on voting day (or even voting for Trump). The longer the discussion goes on, the more it weakens Clinton’s chances of winning the presidency. I don’t think Clinton supporters are wrong about that.

Fuck 'em.

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The politics of the situation meant that only Nixon could have gone to China. It may well be that Only Bernie could make a significant change on US policy towards the middle east.

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News out of Arizona.

“We’ve been getting calls all day from lifelong Democrats who have been registered as independents,” Enrique Gutierrez, communications director for the Arizona Democratic Party, told US Uncut. “One woman even said she’d been registered as a Libertarian.”

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Also many people were supposedly given provisional ballots instead of normal ballets and it is still unclear if they will even be counted.

Poll workers have been giving out “provisional ballots,” according to 12 News. It’s unclear at this time as to whether these ballots will actually count in the Arizona primary, and whether intentional or not, it could result in the disenfranchisement of Arizona voters.

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Bernie blows Hillary out of the water in Idaho.

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So after March 15, when the Hillary suporters were saying “just give up”, it was calculated that Bernie needed 56.8% of the remaining delegates to catch up (and that this was totally doable given the demographics).

Since then, Bernie has:

Democrats Abroad: 9/13
Idaho: 17/22
Utah: 18/23
Arizona: 22/63
Total: 66/121 = 54.5%

He was 3 delegates away from meeting that target, and given the shenanigans in Arizona, some adjustment of the numbers in the upcoming days wouldn’t surprise me.

Saturday is Alaska, Hawaii, and Washington. Sanders is going to, as the kiddies said 20 years ago, wtfpwn Washington.

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Ah, but you’re forgetting the giant counterweight that the Dem party has to skew the results, which still get reported everywhere like they’re real results.

Reporting on yesterday was complete bullshit. AZ tightened up a bit, and she got destroyed in UT and ID, but it’s all about her ‘big’ win in Arizona - nary a mention of how it’s a proportional result. She is definitely going to get a spanking in WA on Sat, too.

See also this sort of thing:

Because of how Democrats crafted primary schedule, explained Rosenberg, “with this thing being over by mid-March — with a compressed calendar and the incumbent president making news all the time — there’s a scenario where it’s hard to see how Hillary gets a lot of TV between now and the convention. So, in a funny way, Hillary needs Bernie to keep doing a good job. Just not too good a job."

Patronizing shite (him and what he says).

Or this one, where a whole load of States apparently don’t count:

“Our campaign will continue to compete in every state and will work to amass as many pledged delegates as possible everywhere,” campaign manager Robby Mook wrote in a memo after Clinton’s March 15 sweep. “In fact, we already have staff on the ground in every state that votes through the end of April. But our pledged delegate lead is so significant that even a string of victories by Sen. Sanders over the next few weeks would have little impact on Sec. Clinton’s position in the race.”

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I didn’t make it in to the main room. RatGirl wanted to go, so as soon as she got home, we headed down there. The line to get in was just crazy. We showed up about 3 pm and were on the end of a mile-long line but it moved pretty fast. We ended up in the overflow room watching on TV. Some people had been there since 5 am waiting. Security was very tight and a lot of people ignored the instructions not to bring bags. We brought our supper with us and ate it in line. I haven’t seen any reliable numbers yet, but I’d estimate there were between 15,000-20,000 people there. The speech was pretty good, and the energy in the crowd was amazing. We gotta figure out a way to get this guy elected. :slight_smile:

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Going to be interesting to see how many people show up at Safeco Field for Sanders today. A packed baseball stadium could be quite an image.

Meanwhile, if you have $350K spare, you can have dinner with the Clintons and the Clooneys.

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