I guess it comes down to belief then, not fact. Some facts cannot be established beyond debate.
I think it’s beyond debate that Woody Allen was a crappy father to Dylan, Satchel, and Moses. Whether Woody Allen sexually abused Dylan Farrow is something people who were present at the time, and people who looked into the matter at the time, disagree on.
According to the professionals responsible for investigating the question, the statements Dylan Farrow made at the time were too inconsistent and changing to provide clear evidence, and there was no physical evidence of abuse. I believe them when they say that.
I also believe Moses Farrow. He was 14 at the time, and present throughout. I see no reason to speculate that his statement is false.
Mia Farrow I do not believe. I am shocked that she got away with physically abusing her children so seriously and for so long. Her household sounds like a New York liberal version of a Mormon splinter cult. I believe she would have said anything to keep control of them.
What’s this “present throughout” bull? Living in the house doesn’t make one “present throughout”. I’ve never personally witnessed any of my immediate family having sex, despite living with them for years, but there are a hella lot of kids underfoot all the time, so it’s probably happening.
Abusers know how to hide and manipulate. Moses can choose to believe or not, but him declaring that his living in the house and not having witnessed anything is absence of evidence, not evidence of absence.
You should really give Moses’ letter a read: he described being present during the actual hours that the abuse was alleged to have occurred, and specifically gives a background as to why he was specifically on watch for Woody around his siblings. He also claims to have overheard Mia coaching Dylan. That’s a very different thing than claiming “I lived there, so I would know.”
The doctor did not meet with Dylan before giving his testimony, and instead delivered his findings based on interviews conducted by others.[102]
The team’s findings were criticized by the presiding judge, and later by other experts in the field, who found their behavior unusual for making conclusive statements about innocence and guilt, instead of reporting on behavior, for refusing to testify in court when asked, and for destroying all their notes.
In his final decision, in June 1993, Justice Wilk stated that he found “no credible evidence to support Mr. Allen’s contention that Ms. Farrow coached Dylan or that Ms. Farrow acted upon a desire for revenge against him for seducing Soon-Yi. Mr. Allen’s resort to the stereotypical ‘woman scorned’ defense is an injudicious attempt to divert attention from his failure to act as a responsible parent and adult.”
I have. It sounds a lot like the justifications of someone who, failing to observe or prevent abuse in the family, goes into emphatic denial in order to prevent feelings of guilt.
I’ve seen the exact thing play out in real life with family members in abuse situations. Weather or not the “attic incident” occurred exactly as described, other people noted Allen’s hinky behavior with Dylan on other occasions.
In terms of things that one has personally seen… I’ve seen previously apparently normal and kind people in the middle of an acrimonious divorce accuse each other of crazy shit that totally didn’t happen, and I’ve also seen them coach their kids to repeat those accusations.
Before the acrimonious breakup of their not-marriage, neither Woody Allen nor Mia Farrow was a normal or kind person.
Uh, nevermind, apparently a bunch of my replies in this thread were deleted for reasons unbenownst to me. The replies are gone from my profile, and all of the related activity as well.
I simply gave a verifiable reason why Woody Allen should not be allowed to misappropriate a movement which seeks to stop rape, when he defended a self-admitted rapist and pedophile.
@temp has an unpopular view in this thread and we’re holding his feet to the fire to back it up, but none of his comments have been taken down in it, as far as I’ve seen, because he’s abiding by the community rules. Many of us disagree with him, but none of us are flagging him for that. We tend to flag comments that do not abide by community rules, not because we necessarily disagree with the poster.
