doctorow at October 26th, 2013 21:10 — #1
immutable_mike at October 26th, 2013 21:59 — #2
I've stopped being surprised at these revelations. Does that mean they've won?
Upon reflection, no. They've only won when we stop getting angry.
blissfulight at October 26th, 2013 22:08 — #3
I like how you can replace UK with US and GCHQ with NSA in every single sentence, and it's the same thing over in the US.
boundegar at October 26th, 2013 23:02 — #4
Not exactly. I doubt anybody at NSA was the least bit surprised at Verizon's eager willingness to fling wide the gates of totalitarianism. Is that a weird metaphor, or does it work?
miasm at October 27th, 2013 06:51 — #5
Ima start calling this 'gate-gate'.
Or perhaps after the infamous and frustrating Buddhist concept; 'no-gate' or 'gateless-gate'.
Watergate pales in comparison to this 'mightly-and-insufferably-difficult-to pin-down-gate'.
richard_kirk at October 27th, 2013 06:57 — #6
Were the telcos as a whole keen to cooperate? I suspect it was only a few senior executives hoping for a place in the New Year's Honour's list for being "patriotic" (tm), and a few of the rank and file who were trusted with the cloak-and-dagger stuff, and perhaps saw it as their way to a senior post.
I am not sure there is an easy way to stop the cosy negotiations in gentlemen's clubs that lead to this sort of thing, but were Her Majesty to award Edward Snowden a knighthood, it might balance the scales for the whistleblowers a bit. Just sayin'...
imb at October 27th, 2013 07:29 — #7
In the photo, is that a nail in the shoe, by the mouthpiece?
thaumatechnicia at October 27th, 2013 07:58 — #8
You've never watched an episode of Get Smart, eh?
What looks like a nail is actually the disk-shaped microphone, which also acts as a cover for the rotary dial. There's a clearer, better-angled photo here. Bonus: it also features the lovely Barbara Feldon, who played Agent 99. Her shoe phone was touch-tone, Max's was old-school.
jardine at October 27th, 2013 08:10 — #9
I really wish the Stargate from the TV series was real so that when it was finally revealed to exist, the media would call the story Stargate-gate.
nathanhornby at October 27th, 2013 08:27 — #10
Can't be knighted, he's not a subject of the queen.
richard_kirk at October 27th, 2013 09:21 — #11
Can so too. The honours system recognises service to the state and crown, and some of the more modern honours have political and geographical restrictions to the State, the Commonwealth, the Empire, and so forth, but knighthoods are too ancient for that sort of thing.
Okay, I am on shaky ground as the Monarch may have technical rights that are not exercised, and may not work any longer. She may dissolve parliament, but she is unlikely to get away with it unless they have been really, really unconstitutional and naughty. But she could probably make someone a knight wherever they were, and if they accepted, then a knight they would be for most of us. You could try telling the Lady in the Shiny Hat that she can't do that. She can't order beheadings either, but no point in pushing your luck, and some of her knights still carry spiky stuff.
Ain't gonna happen anyhow, but one can dream...
gilbertwham at October 27th, 2013 09:22 — #12
Must be some sort of gong we can dole out to Johny Foreigner though, what?
miasm at October 27th, 2013 09:49 — #13
imb at October 27th, 2013 11:40 — #15
Oh thanks. It looked so sharp and dangerous in the first pic.
nelsie at October 27th, 2013 13:25 — #16
According to royal.gov.uk:
Foreign citizens occasionally receive honorary knighthoods; they are
not dubbed, and they do not use the style 'Sir'.
'Dubbing' is being tapped on the shoulder by the Queen's sword. So I guess they get a certificate, or something?
thaumatechnicia at October 27th, 2013 14:25 — #17
A gift certificate from Wimpy's?
/Quorn burger, anyone?
rocketpj at October 27th, 2013 15:12 — #18
Wonder how it works for us Commonwealth folks - still 'subjects', so probably able to get a knighthood.
daneel at October 27th, 2013 15:20 — #19
Non-Brits can get knighted, sort of. They just get called KBE, but can't style themselves Sir.
Bob Geldof has one, for example.
nelsie at October 27th, 2013 15:23 — #20
Yes, I think so. Those Australian paragons dignified by a knighthood Sir Les Patterson and Dame Edna Everage come to mind.
tmcsweeney at October 27th, 2013 16:23 — #21
If we had another scandal involving the Watergate hotel, would it now be called Watergate-gate?
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