I live in Oregon, and our system is way better than going to a polling station.
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Here we go again:
The people who support using software for voting are not doing it out of ignorance.
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while i do believe you’re right ( especially in the general election ) the logic in this analysis seems predicated on the supposition [edited for brevity]:
Breaking this down by county leaves much different results. New Hampshire has 10 counties. 7 counting paper ballots, 3 using tabulaters. Rural and urban counties are represented in both groups. The percentages between the two candidates should hold within one to two points. They differ wildy.
i don’t think that’s right at all.
even if you could safely assume all rural counties vote the same, and all urban counties vote themselves the same ( which would need, at the very least, an analysis of historical voting patterns there ) - it seems you’d have to bias the numbers by the ratio of the rural/urban counting methods. they don’t. ( and they don’t even call out which are which. )
they also don’t seem to go back to adjust for the known errors in the caucus math - which everyone has acknowledged biased the results. ( and which is why, so far as i understand, the results are still uncertified. and why the candidates have asked for manual recounts… which i think? are still underway. )
[edit] it’s my belief that, at the very least, electronic voting helps undermine faith in voting… which is itself enough for republicans. they tend to win when fewer people vote. this debacle proves the point. i think it’s just a debacle, and not outright malfeasance, but… literally who can say for sure.
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I don’t think that is critical to their conclusion. They are not fully controlling for it, just pointing out that, at first pass, that doesn’t look like the source of the extremely suspicious results they discuss next:
That result is so incredibly suspicious that it overshadows the fact that there could, possibly, be a legitimate explanation. Any argument that that isn’t a crooked result needs to be based on a full paper recount of the counties in question.
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I feel it’s important to point out that vote by mail also has its issues: most specifically, mail not getting delivered, or taking at least 3-4 weeks to be delivered.
At this point, I have 2 post offices (none within 5 miles of me) I would be willing to mail something from…and I’m in a major city, where I should be able to put a letter in a blue post box on the corner or go to my neighborhood post office within walking distance.
Also, mail that has or seems like it has something valuable in it (Lunar New Year red envelopes, a necklace or bracelet in a regular envelope – ask me how I came up with those examples) magically doesn’t get delivered. Which means, something as valuable as votes might also find themselves in a basement somewhere, depending on the locale.
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All solid points, I have to agree.
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i thought about quoting that part as a further explanation. let’s say the rural counties overwhelming voted for pete, 2 used tabulators. lets say that only 1 urban area used a tabultor - insert math here - why would that result given be odd?
go further, and say historically that one urban area swung the way the rural areas did, then that result is even more likely.
they need more analysis to say, and not doing that analysis seems sketchy
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i was curious…
looks like ( for oregon, since that’s the one most people mentioned ) you can check the status of your ballots online:
and you can vote in person day of if you want.
Oregon is an elections-by-mail state. A voter can still vote on Election Day at his or her local municipal clerk’s office, however, between 7 a.m. to 8 p.m.
no idea what happens if you find out your ballot wasn’t received, or if you vote by mail and in person. maybe voting in person is like a provisional ballot…?
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In WA besides voting in person you can vote “online”. You fill in your voter info and make your votes and it then creates a PDF for printing. Then you sign it and mail it or drop it in one of the ballot boxes.
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There are secure drop boxes at libraries, schools, and city & county offices.if you’re nervous about dropping it in the mail, you can take your ballot to any of those places up until the voting deadline.
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@gatto, @TobinL, and @DukeTrout:
Good to know, thanks!
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My guess? A combination of options 2 and 3.
Bernie has always had stans (yes, folks, it’s from the song) who made life hell for anyone not in the group. Which is a highly attractive thing to anyone who seeks to undermine him. Send in a bunch of trolls to mimic and amplify those voices and people who don’t normally pay attention to the political discourse see only that. So Bernie becomes (in their minds) someone toxic, because “look at the kind of people he attracts.”
Denying the true stans exist or insisting they are all trolls to discredit Sanders does him no favours. It just comes acrossas denying reality. Of callously dismissing people’s lived experiences on the receiving end. Recognizing that there are a small but real number of them being boosted by trolls and bots gives us a better understanding of his actual support.
His mistake was not making this statement earlier and more often. Of not acknowledging the hurt done to others. Nobody was really expecting him to fix the problem, just stop ignoring it.
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Literal death panels:
Do you think Bloomberg intends his Logan’s Run policy to apply to all people, or just the ones who aren’t billionaires?
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Logan’s Run, with a side-order of Soylent Green.
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The more I learn about Bloomberg, the more I’m starting to think he’s as evil as Trump, only more competent.
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Which brings us back to a point that I’ve been repeating ever since Trump was elected:
https://twitter.com/lostwanderfound/status/1227890048927842305?s=21
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True - I prefer to to go to the polls.
It’s a small civic duty just twice a year.
But it’s good to have other options for folks who can’t.
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