give it till wednesday. reports are he spent most of his time and money in south carolina, so he hasnt had much focus in places like texas and california.
previous wisdom was winning sc could give you a boost, but there used to be some significant time between their primary and super tuesday. ( and that’s no longer true )
reports are also that bloomberg’s campaign hasn’t done much ground work, mostly just ads. so fingers crossed he won’t do all that well tuesday either. ( i’d much prefer if one of them does well, it’s biden. no billionaires buying elections please. )
still hoping warren can do well on tuesday. no idea what her chances are…
Also a nice reminder that there is very little difference between Bernie’s platform today and Jackson’s platform in 1988, which was completely mainstream Democratic for the time.
I don’t tend to use those because they profit off what someone chose to publish elsewhere.
When someone posts something on Twitter, they are choosing to publish on Twitter. They agreed to Twitter’s TOS, not some secondary site that then can slap ads all over it without permission of the original author. Or sharing profits with them.
so, are there bernie bros that are known by name, or otherwise in the public eye?
i myself haven’t seen them this cycle, and i wonder - just for the sake of argument - are they… you know… real?
it’s easy to interview a toxic trump supporter, a confederate flag waver, or even a neo-nazi and splash their picture straight on the cover of mother jones.
ive yet to see the equivalent public bernie bro. am i just missing that part of the public sphere? ( a totally valid possibility. )
im imagining people like sean hannity, or yolo minneapolis, a public platform like breitbart with “reporters” - where are these people other than on reddit or twitter?
I have seen plenty of brocialists and class reductionists recently, some of them here on this very topic. They go around saying shit like maybe trans rights shouldn’t be an important issue (See Today in Transphobia for why it should be an important issue.) They go around dismissing anything relating to feminism because some feminists aren’t socialists. Michael Harriot brings another concerned view, that they are unconcerned about racism as long as they get what they think they deserve.
I am well to the left of Bernie, and I have my concerns about the brocialist Bernie campaigners. Will they consider the rights of other people to be a bargaining chip to get what they want from conservatives? That has ended badly for everybody in the past, but I expect it to happen again. Because it always happens again.
absolutely. and, don’t get me wrong - i believe people are being harrased. ( my phrasing there was poor. )
last election there stuff like this:
bloomberg is visible toxic himself, we’ve got people like chris matthews, we have anti-vaxers, flat earthers, etc. - you can see their faces.
for bernie bros, this is the deepest dive i found:
it does show there are real people sharing toxic memes, and it has this sentence
evidence this campaign season points most clearly to the frenetic work of aggrieved Americans who, distrustful of mainstream gatekeepers of information, turn to Facebook.
i don’t know. i don’t know why id be surprised that white men are being white men for their white man candidate.
i guess maybe it’s that it’s taken as different than any other candidate’s supporters? that it’s such a theme of this campaign, even being asked about in the debates… and that it’s so much online without the other public faces that is seen in other otherwise similar widespread campaigns of toxicity.
You are clearly not a Warren supporter on Twitter. You are clearly not supporting anyone other than Bernie while black.
There is a very toxic element of the “dirtbag left” that is showing their true colours after South Carolina.
Again, nobody is saying it’s all or even a majority of his supporters. But they are there, they are real, and some of them even have podcasts. Count yourselves lucky if you’ve never seen one.
i guess in someways it’s more important to call sanders supporters out for this because sanders is saying m4a without will help all people, and sanders doesn’t generally call out issues of race as separate than issues of class.
which is explicitly what buttigieg, klobuchar, and bloomberg have said they’ll do. and what biden ( and probably sanders, not as sure of his senate record ) has done in the past.
this is the fundamental problem with having all white candidates to choose from, and why i tend towards warren even though she’s a little more capitalist than i’d like. ( at least she’s not another guy, and she’s a better communicator than sanders i think anyway )
it’s still all somewhat separate from bernie-bros, are there really not biden bros, or pete bros?
are they qualitatively different in some way that should make people worry about the sanders presidency more than some other presidency?
