2020 Election Thread (formerly: 2020 Presidential Candidates Thread) (Part 1)

Or math majors. Maybe your field and mine are considered unimportant upstarts.

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Oh but it got better

(Twitch is owned by Amazon if you didn’t know)

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I didn’t?

I’m not sure which big faceless evil conglomerate owns which social networky thingy I haven’t got time for. Is there a handy flowchart by any chance?

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Something like this? Unsure how old it is though.

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This looks like it was produced fairly recently. And TIL…

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But they do have economics, accounting, and finance… but don’t ask those math guys or history guys what they think!

Bah! A pox, I say!

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They should all drive to the debates in the same clown car

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I made a (small) effort to see if in fact they sampled all majors, all types of institutions, and all regions, but didn’t find anything. (If they did then it is bad news, since it suggests that overall getting the youth out to vote will not help progressive candidates as much as we often assume.)

It could just be a poorly done poll, of course (small sample size, etc). Plus, how many people actually do get a degree in philosophy, especially now a days, so I’m not sure how much that actually tells us about support for socialist or progressive causes among college students.

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Not many, which just makes it worse, since they were most likely to be willing to vote for a socialist among the majors listed.

Sure, but that may have nothing to do with being philosophy majors. In other words, maybe just more socialists leaning people are getting into the field, as opposed to being influenced from the field to become philosophers?

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I agree; I don’t think studying Kant makes you a socialist. The bigger point is that according to the study only 42% of all college students would be enthusiastic or even just comfortable about a socialist candidate, 54% have reservations or would be downright uncomfortable. That’s aggregated together, so the breakdown by field doesn’t factor into the conclusion, which seems to be that increasing youth turnout won’t help candidates like Bernie.

What would the breakdown be for Baby Boomers?

The term “socialist” carries a lot of baggage. People think Cuba, not Canada. I’m glad to see that wearing down.

Also, the reason why I mention Canada is because if Bernie is a socialist, so are most Canadians, and so is most of the rest of the developed world. Bernie Sanders is a Social Democrat and not a full on socialist by any means. He wants to strengthen the social safety nets first and foremost, not dismantle capitalism. Capitalism can still thrive in a Social Democracy, it just can’t run rampant.

Even if college students don’t vote for Bernie because of the “socialist” label, maybe they will still vote for someone like Elizabeth Warren, who espouses many of the same principles but does not have that label.

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I think what will help Bernie (or whoever) will be to continue to make very clear policy goals, especially with regards to health care and college education and the environment. He tends to do that, anyway, instead of getting lost in the weeds on things that don’t matter (such as what political orientation he holds).

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They’re either better or worse. Either way, it seems that a collegiate GOTV effort is not going to be the salvation of Bernie’s candidacy.

not a full on socialist

Of course. He’s basically an FDR Democrat (as is Warren). His camp has been stressing that comparison, and I think that is useful for Boomers (who were born after FDR but still mainly know what that means), might be less so for younger voters.

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Who are the famous supporting…

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Brilliant stuff here. F those damn Dem centrists.

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I spoke with half a dozen economists about Yang’s theories on automation, AI, and universal basic income. All of them said he offered an incomplete, if not misguided, picture of what was going on and what to expect. Dean Baker, a co-founder of the Center for Economic and Policy Research who predicted the 2007-08 financial crisis, tells me that Yang’s warnings are “180 degrees at odds with reality.” If full-on automation were eliminating jobs, he says, there would be a rapid spike in productivity; instead, we’re living through a period of low productivity growth. Paul Krugman, the economist and New York Times columnist, tweeted that Yang’s arguments about automation have “zero support from the data.” Not helping Yang’s case is the fact that other countries with high levels of automation — Germany, for example — have yet to see widespread unemployment.

Joseph Stiglitz, the Nobel Prize-winning economist, tells me that automation is a “serious concern,” but nowhere near as important as the transition away from fossil fuels or tackling America’s crippling income inequality. He adds that there’s no reason to think it’s a foregone conclusion that technology will replace humans when government has the ability to create policies that shape the path of innovation to help, not hurt, workers.

Daron Acemoglu, an MIT economist who studies automation, says Yang is right to connect the impact of automation to Trump’s victories in Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin, where the most industrial jobs disappeared. But Yang strays, Acemoglu tells me, when he solely blames automation for the disappearance of those 4 or 5 million manufacturing jobs. Yes, automation plays a part, Acemoglu says, but so does the long-term decline of heavy manufacturing industries and trade with China. “My take is we need more people with ideas and more people who try to find ways of making prosperity more shared,” Acemoglu says. “Even if I don’t agree with him, I have time for him.”

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Bernie Sanders defends staff compensation after complaints his campaign isn’t paying $15 an hour

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