9/11 Truthers still not done

Please include me in the “liars” list. I haven’t commented to now, but have yet to find any compelling argument or reliable evidence from the “Truthers.” Also it’s fun to be called a liar by delusional people.

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I’ve been on similar “How dare they disagree with my all-accusation-no-evidence conspiracy claim!!!” lists over the last decade. And not just for debunking truther claims, but also “North American Union by 2007!!!”, “Amero by 2007!!!”, “FEMA death camps before the 2008 elections!!!” claims. The intimidation lists seem to be standard practice for those trying to establish their “more inbred than thou” credentials to their fellow wingnuts.

The same goes for their posting pseudo-psychology babble, oblivious to the irony others see when they read it.

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Isn’t it odd to observe where the extremist right and leftmost persons on the spectrum agree on things?

Considering the active fires, structural damage and other uncontrolled factors, it would be pretty difficult to set all of this up without people finding out, as many here have already said. Not only that, it would require a lot of ordinary people who would have to have stayed quiet about this for 14 years and counting, despite the fact that they may have known people who were killed in 9/11 or in conflicts afterwards, despite the fact that the truth about the government’s motives would have been pretty clear and they would know that the government was willing to kill thousands of innocent lives and go to war in multiple nations using the people that they themselves had helped to kill as justification. None of these people were swayed by the later events as they watched countries falling apart because of their actions. The government allowed many truther websites and videos picking apart details to stay online, yet nobody seems to have come forward to admit their part in this. The best we have are ideas like that government goons planted large aircraft parts in broad daylight in downtown New York without being spotted and that somebody made a slip of the tongue and said “pull” by mistake.

The amount of control this assumes from a government that couldn’t predict complications in Iraq and Afghanistan is incredible.

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But yeah, I should be in the liar camp.

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I think we all know what sort of people make pull requests. This is bigger than we thought.

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Can’t believe I might be too late. Is there a deadline?

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Consider the heat release rates of fire retardants.

Why the Pentagon? Even if we grant provisional acceptance of the WTC being brought down nefariously by the government (because average U.S. citizens love and admire all levels of workers in the financial industry, so they would be crushed – crushed, I tell you – if something were to cause thousands of these workers to be killed in one morning), why would the military go along with having a potential breach of mammoth proportions in the side of the most important military building in the country?

So apparently the “government” is wicked smart and crafty, while the military is too stupid to know how to protect itself.

Yup, that’s gotta be it.

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… so you wanted to bloviate on behalf of the liars, but wish to be put in the ‘truther’ column?

Muhahaha, pray I don’t add a fourth column: “Ajitprop”!

Maybe there was some break between the Saudis and Bin Laden at some point that made them cut him off from that support, including from his own family. The Bin Laden Group is intimately tied with the fortunes of the House of Saud. If the king said cut him off, they’d cut him off, I’d suspect.

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It’s been a while since I’ve read The Looming Tower: Al-Qaeda and the Road to 9/11, but I think it does mention that when Osama became a bit too embarrassing to the Saudi ruling party, he was cut off. Could be misremembering though.

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There is probably tons we don’t know about the Saudi Kingdom, how it operates behind the scene, and I doubt they open their archives very widely to anything other than the most whitewashed, glowing of projects. Making the connection between their security services and Osama Bin landen is likely one of those projects they’d frown upon. I don’t know what the Arabic scholarship is saying about it.

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Your reading skills match the rest of your cognitive abilities.

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You should add a fifth column, just because I really want to be part of the Truther allegiance list fifth column.

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Oh yeah, that fifth column I always hear about. I wondered what that was.

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They are currently running “humanitarian bombing” raids on their neighbor Yemen. It isn’t clear what the beef is, it seems pointless to fight over a patch of desert with no oil (that we know about) under it…

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The Huthi rebels are Shia and associated with Iran (which I’m not sure is the case, even if Iran is sending in cash). The Saudis want a compliant neighbor, not one that’s going to stand up to them.

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You appear to have forgotten the ‘troll’ category. And to put yourself in it.

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Nope, sorry, nothing but strawmen and ad hominems here. By my informal calculations, it’s a majority of at least 6:1 liars amongst the BB commentariat.