And don’t forget, also SATAN!
Loving it, but I really gotta go.
I love how literally everything else in the thread is ignored.
And people wonder why it’s utterly worthless to engage these people.
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“Keep an open mind –
but not so open that your brain falls out”
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Just to save time on your inevitable claims:
Reasonable person: well, what about that 3rd tower anyway?
2nd Reasonable person: What about it? It had massive structural damage from many multi-ton steel and cement beams falling on it, follows by unchecked fires raging for hour!
Truther: It had only minor damage and minor fires!
2nd Reasonable person: Here are photos of massive damage and raging fires. And funny how you don’t mention WTC 3, 4, 5 and 6. Also collapsed (with the exception of part of one building.) But being closer, the beams falling straight down, the facades tended to stay standing, with the roof and floors collapsed into the basement.
Truther: Symmetric collapse proves it was imploded!
2nd Reasonable person: It didn’t fall all that symmetrically (despite gravity being straight down). The north wall ended up draped over the rubble like a shroud.
Truther: Well then, non-symmetric collapse proves it was imploded!
2nd Reasonable person: C’mon.
Truther: But free fall! FREE FALL!
2nd Reasonable person: Only the truthers claim free fall. The video footage shows otherwise. That is, video where the truthers don’t edit video from the north to start AFTER the penthouses disappear, and end with it disappearing behind other buildings with 20 floors to go. There’s even seismometer evidence that it took considerably longer.
The one exception, mentioned in the WTC7 report, that gullible truthers quote but never check what it really says: The north wall was last to drop. With the rest of the building falling ahead of it, nothing was holding it up. And so only briefly, only near the start of its fall, the north wall free-fell.
Look, for years you truthers claimed that WTC1 and 2 fell at free fall speeds, using the same dishonestly edited video methods. And yet the rubble was falling faster then the buildings. Were they using rockets to accelerate the rubble? The WTC7 free fall claim is just a vestigial left-over of this.
Truther: But the Jewish guy said to “pull” the building!
2nd Reasonable person: In context it’s crystal clear that they were talking about pulling the fire fighters from the building. Look it up.
Truther: But the JEWISH guy made money on the incident!
2nd Reasonable person: No, he didn’t. Insurance didn’t fully cover the losses.
Truther: But he saved money from not having to deal with the asbestos used all through the WTC buildings.
2nd Reasonable person: Asbestos was to be used on the first 40 floors of the buildings. There would be no asbestos from floors 41 onward. But anticipating a ban on the use of asbestos, it was only used on the north tower, the first one to go up. And more than half of that was later removed. It wasn’t a big deal.
Etc. Etc. Etc.
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No unprecedented event conforms to reality as it has previously been experienced.
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Aw, mang - that just broke my weekend.
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What’s the process where you need to intentionally demolish WTC7? Wouldn’t WTC 1 & 2 be enough? Even if the whole attack was a conspiracy I really can’t see why anyone would bother with doing that.
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So they’re designed to tip over and take out a whole block? Really?
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Yeah, that’s just bananas. Buildings aren’t designed to collapse at all, but if they WERE then you’d want them to drop straight down so they didn’t take any nearby buildings out with them.
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The Titanic?!? Don’t even get me started on the Titanic and that supposed “iceberg”.
Answer me this: which is harder, ice or steel? The answer is clear. Ice picks pick ice, not the other way around. So what then caused the Titanic to sink? Ask the Kaiser, I say.
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That’s because truth hurts.
But you know what hurts more?
Ignorance.
speaking of, there was a thing on TV yesterday about the MP and the ongoing nuclear bomb tests. Edward Teller couldn’t be at the atoll where they tested the first thermonuke, so he hooked up his seismograph over in California, and he knew it was a success hours before official reports filtered back to Los Alamos. Same kind of idea, I guess.
Not to mention that (if I remember correctly) there was some kind of massive military exercise in progress meaning that they were already busy and likely to ignore any reports of loss of communication which could have easily been rationalized to a broken radio or distracted pilot, it wouldn’t be the first time that kinda shit has happened.
part of the furniture…
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They only look like demolition to people who know a little, but not a lot about demolition and explosives. The problem is, we have very little experience with watching 1360 foot buildings collapse due to fire, or any other reason. Also, when you hear the phrase “exactly in their own footprint”, it is pretty clear that they are just parroting what someone else told them, because that was certainly not the case. But once again, we get into these whack-a-mole arguments. It certainly is not any sort of truth seeking. It is much more like a hypothetical argument in a high school debate. There is now a substantial group of people why actually believe that the “aircraft” everyone saw were actually holograms projected around missiles, and the aircraft debris found was planted by government impostors dressed as firefighters. That is way down the rabbit hole.
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If anything though I feel like what has been missing from this conversation is a recognition of the fact that the most dangerous part about conspiracy theories is that A. They can become accepted as historical fact and B. They can overshadow and draw attention away from actual heinous actions. Here are a few good example of such heinous actions: The Bush administration’s actions (or inactions) regarding Saudi royal family members in the states after 9/11 (Such as this or this), or the failure of our security and intelligence services to communicate while our President seemingly ignored intelligence briefs, oh and all that stuff we did in the Middle East (past, present, and future). We should be focusing on what we know with certainty before we question historical events that are mired in emotion and personal opinions.
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I absolutely agree. I find conspiracists lowly beings because they distract from where we’re being horrible now and in the past. They’re nor activists, they offer nothing. They’re somehow more worthless to their cause than internet petitions.
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See, that’s the thing that still gets me- What are the odds it would be that day?
What do you mean?
