After Trump, boys at her daughter's school Nazi-salute in the hall. Here's how a mom responded

Hate’s not all right.

No one needs the alt-right.

No slight.

We’ll be alright.

You’re Night

We’re light!

Hate speech never should be protected.


The trouble is that “hate speech” doesn’t mean precisely what it says on the tin, and most people aren’t aware of that. You are allowed to say “I hate Jews,” but if you say it while beating a Jew it’s an enhancement to the assault & battery charges. Similarly, if you write it on a postcard and pin it to a synagogue door, it becomes assault (and possibly terroristic) because of the implicit threat of violence. Context is crucial.

Hate speech does not mean simply voicing “un-PC” opinions, but that’s how it’s framed by absolutists and bigots trying to hide behind the First Amendment.


You’re confusing National Socialism (a right wing doctrine based on race) with Socialism (a left wing doctrine based on class). You should probably do a little more reading around the subject to clear up any confusion you might have.


I dunno’, wet Nazis, dry Nazis, what’s the difference?


Worse than I could ever have imagined.

Sorry, very off topic. The current administration is so crushingly, depressingly bad.
With Breitbart, Alex Jones and other far right ‘organs’ spewing unfiltered directly from the WH.
I had to interject.

This, it’s… it’s just so bad.


Unless the other parents are ignorant, hate-filled, despairing people who want to blame someone for the way the world is, and the household is one where casual abuse is normalized, and their kids are taught nothing by their parents, only trained to be quiet around the abuser and take out their anger on smaller, weaker things.
This happens more than I like to think about. I ran into it a dozen times or so with my daughter in the 80s and 90s, and hear about it happening with my grandson.
Human nature. So much good, so much evil.


From my parenting experience, there’s two basic types - the parent(s) or parent-substitute(s) that are just awful, and the kids are just doing what the adults in their lives do, and the clueless type, who may actually utter the cliche “Not my baby, she’s an angel!” when confronted with evidence of the kid’s extreme bad behavior.


Yoinked from a friend’s blog:

Fascist: “I believe in a little something called FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION. You know from the Constitution?”

Trans woman: “So I can dress and live how I want?”

Muslim: “So I can worship however I choose?”

Communist: “So I’m allowed to discuss revolutionary activity without police interference?”

Jewish person: “So I’m allowed to exist?”

Fascist: “No not like that. I mean I should be allowed to call for your murder if you try to do any of that.”


Don’t forget that Hitchcock did quite a bit of filming too, as presented on Frontline as Memory of the Camps. Apparently they did a more recent version of putting the footage together into a documentary in 2014 under the same title.


Repeating for emphasis as this is so far down in the thread that it might get missed.


Whenever I read documents from the 1920s onwards, as for example the diaries of Viktor Klemperer, or the 1933 play “Die Rassen” by Ferdinand Buckner, I come to the opinion that the notion of a political and societal structure which just made people into fascists, or let them at least fall easily for it is not at all convincing. This is, of course, hindsight. But people did clearly see what happened. And they dismissed it, and shunned those who warned against it.

I understand what you say. But I stand by “Wehret den Anfängen”. Never again shall we be silent.

My grandfather fought in WWII. One of the few photos from that period shows a smiling man in a deck chair, wearing his Wehrmacht uniform, in the bright sunshine of Warsaw in 1940. He did never explain how he ended up fighting that war, how his youth let there. It is hard for me to accept that.

If I ever again personally come across youngsters trying to provoke others with the Hitlergruss, or anyone glorifying the Nazi period, I am bound to stop them.

Your father, I assume, would approve of it.


I’d expect there were a lot of non-party-members among the conscripted soldiers.

I don’t know if I agree - it sounds like basically you say ‘yes, I understand that children are wont to do things that they perceive as naughty’, but then you just say ‘but this is different because I said so’.

It’s not like when kids did this when I was in high school they were utterly ignorant of Hitler, it’s that they’re kids and legitimately don’t have the ability to put this stuff in context.


We watched likely the same films, but it was in the 80’s. In Texas. The idea was to show how inhumane the Germans became during the war so that we could recognize the signs of a society failing in that fashion with the goal of never letting it happen again.


Thank you for posting this and more importantly, thank you for trying to get the school to change. Every school needs parents like you.


I visited the Holocaust museum in DC in middle school. It was traumatic. It was incredibly disturbing and awful. It was also the moment I really understood what the Holocaust was in a deep-down visceral way. Traumatic and an important experience for me. One day, I’ll take my daughter there.
Though the school shouldn’t have scheduled that particular event right before lunch.

Edit: by awful, I mean the content and what humans can do to each other. The museum itself is beautiful and the displays were brilliant. Heart-hurting, gut-wrenching beauty.


A bit of follow up:


Yes, “it could never happen here” has worked out as a philosophy for so many civilisations over the years.

Do you actually, genuinely believe that as a statement? I’m intrigued to know how one rationalises a viewpoint like that. How, exactly, is America uniquely protected from totalitarianism in a way that is meaningfully different to any other country that has slid into authoritarian rule?


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