I honestly didn’t think they were very good, then I did an image search on Bizarro, and, wow, he’s changed.
This is the one I was going for:
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I have never seen a study that truly proved this effect even exists. There is a great deal of support for the idea that people tell “scientists” (people they think are doing research or other sciency things) what they want to hear, but right up until unauditable machine voting was introduced in the USA, exit polls were highly accurate, weren’t they?
EDIT: Nate Silver says I’m wrong, exit polls haven’t gotten spectacularly worse. And he’s a more informed voice than I am on the subject of polls, I think.
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So, yes, I’m aware of gerrymandering and how it affects things and all that. I am aware that the game is rigged.
But there’s still FAR too many people whose votes are coming down in disagreement to this polls response for it to be people’s true intentions. If they say they disapprove of MAGA, and then go and pull the handle euphorically for MAGA, I would say they never disapproved of it.
And at this point, DT has shown what he is and what he’s bringing to the table. It’s not a “let’s see what happens when we roll the dice OOPS he’s an asshole I had no idea” this time around. (It really wasn’t to anyone paying attention to Donald Trump to any measure, but people KNOW now. If they vote for Donald, they’re endorsing MAGA and fascists, period.)
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Stink clings to shit for much the same reason.
Its more like the MAGAts are the hidden core of the party; Lord Dampnut set them free, and they ain’t gonna go back in the bottle.
The inherent fascism of the business class is nicely complemented by the racism & violence of the MAGAts, and the b.c. is all too happy to exploit MAGAt ignorance.
Too bad no one in politics or the major media has the cojones to refer to these people as fascists on an unrelenting basis… instead, they are called ‘conservatives’, to avoid hurt feelings, it seems. Or lawsuits.
At this point, it is a safe bet to assume that every remaining Republican is a Fascist.
The ones with brains [or a conscience] have turned Independent.
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To be somewhat charitable, I like the think that most non-frenzied Republicans are not so much fascists but just extremely selfish. Their primary interest is themselves, their perceived privileges and their economic condition and they put that front and center over the interests of the rest of society. It’s ugly but not intentionally evil.
I think they vote for fascist leaders because they directly appeal to their selfish worldview with stupid catchphrases like “Make America Great Again”. Even though they may disagree with many of their actual policies or think they are horrible people like Drumpf.
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… very brave of them, so controversial 
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Extremely secure borders.
And how do you pay for this? And what does this even mean?
Extremely low crime.
And how do you pay for this? And how do you get this without addressing the causes of crime? You don’t like things like welfare, food stamps, and so on after all.
Extremely good education for our kids.
And how do you pay for this?
Extremely good economy.
And how do you will this into existence?
Extremely strong dollar.
Who cares? America First, right?
Extremely America First energy and extremely low energy prices.
How? You don’t like green energy and dirty energies are running out. Subsidize energy? Who pays for that?
Extremely low foreign aid, as in none.
Ah this is how we get all that money for these other things?
Extremely affordable food and cost of living.
And how do you will this into existence? Government subsidies? Who pays for that?
Extremely pushing for world peace with an extremely strong military.
Doesn’t sound very America First to me. How do you get world peace without foreign aid? You can only do so much by projecting power. Wouldn’t this money be better spent on all those other things? And if not, who pays for this?
Extremely protecting biological girls and women’s rights including women’s sports and Title IX.
Well, maybe not all of those women’s rights, right?
Extremely protecting American’s rights and freedoms such as free speech and our 2A.
As long as it’s our kind of speech, and as long as it’s the right kind of people owning guns.
Extremely draining the swamp, extremely destroying the deep state, and extremely opposing globalists.
Draining the swamp and destroying the deep state and replacing it with our own swamp and deep state?
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They actually did try that after Obama was re-elected and concluded that the party would have to change its approach to a number of issues in order to survive in the long term.
Their voters responded by choosing Trump
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Once they start voting for, enabling, and supporting fascists it becomes a distinction without a difference.
The Julius Goat quote doesn’t exactly apply, either, because plenty of Germans supported or tolerated the Nazi party without actually joining it. Their status in that regard didn’t matter because they helped open the door for 12 years of catastrophic fascist rule. Non-MAGAt Republicans and Libertarians are filling the same role now in the U.S.
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I wouldn’t say hidden. They are very much at the forefront of the party right now… I mean, we have MTG getting a chance to run sessions in the house… not very hidden at all.
It’s pretty much up to the comedians on late night…
Rule of goats applies.
Did they really do that, though?
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Maybe there is no such effect.
I’m just at a loss to know how the total national vote only skews a bit towards Democrat when so many Republican policies are broadly unpopular.
Maybe it will be different at the next national elections.
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Because the GOP has been gerrymandering the fuck out of the US, from school boards up, since the 1980s.
This is known.
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You are a far better person than me… 
As far as I am concerned, if someone votes for a fascist, then they are a fascist.
I don’t care about their motivations for doing so.
I can almost understand the reasons some people voted for him the first time.
The second time, though? They already knew who they were dealing with.
And Lord Dampnut has promised retribution if he gets back in the Oval Office, so yeah…
Fascists, the lot of 'em.
True, the Usual Suspects are constantly yowling on various platforms and generally making lots of racket; that ‘hidden core’ is much like Nixon’s Silent Majority… I remember being shocked & dismayed when Nixon thrashed McGovern. I wasn’t alone in treating the ‘Silent Majority’ as being mere campaign rhetoric.
Also in that ‘hidden core’ are his supporters in various State legislatures engaging in election fuckery. People tend to not pay attention to that sort of thing, and The Media* doesn’t emphasize it enough.
Given that Lord Dampnut got more votes the second time around, I don’t think that Uncle Joe is neccessarily a shoe-in in a rematch. Joe had better run as if he is the underdog, given his poll numbers.
Or comedians in general. Oh, how I miss George Carlin, Molly Ivins, Bill Hicks…
The thing is, ‘late night’ is one thing. Prime Time is another thing entirely.
Bread and Circuses.
*Referring to the Big 3 networks on broadcast t.v… no cable or internet sources.
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Law of goats applies. IF you march with fascists, vote for fascists and support fascists, THEN you are a fascist. Period, no appeals allowed.
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Honestly I don’t know if that really showed that everyone was onboard with Nixon’s racist, anti-youth campaign as much as showing the McGovern might have been a “weak” candidate… or rather that the US public was not where he was for the most part. Doesn’t mean that they were all in on Nixon, but some were probably less pleased with the Democrats in recent years. They were kind of an omnishambles around that time… I think even people who were not happy with the war probably voted for the guy who had promised to “clean up” the streets with regards to the counterculture and various rights movements that seemed to be everywhere (ha! Sound familiar!)… And he did run on ending the draft and eventually did so, which took the wind out of the sails for much of the anti-war movement, since a lot of it was driven by people who could be drafted (though in reality, it did not end until 73)…
Nixon leaned into the the southern strategy again (and of course the watergate break in happened during the campaign - which no one knew until later), and that helped him with the white vote in the south, but he also had some good solid liberal consensus work behind him as well, which probably helped with the moderate vote.
Nixon was an odd one, as he sort of previews the post-Reagan years for the GOP, but he still had some liberal consensus stuff going…
Plenty of people do, it’s the media that’s doing so, as you note.
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But, overall, they are only 25% - 30% of the total electorate!! Theyre very loud, but not enough to ele t these crazy, uncaring repubs.
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With voter disenfranchisement, gerrymandering, and other GOP cheats 25-30% is all the fascists need.
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Did you read the whole thread, which addresses these issues and how gerrymandering has played a role in keeping the conservative minority in power?
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Don’t confuse policy with politics.
You are ignoring the overwhelming favorable view or abortion rights, single-payer healthcare, taxing the rich, sensible gun control, etc. etc. etc. that poll with majority support even among registered Republicans.
These are voters who vote based on identity rather than policy. They can deeply despise MAGA assholes, and unflinchingly vote R across the ticket. That’s who they think they are.
It makes me puke a little when pundits accuse Democrats of playing identity politics. Republicans own identity politics - it’s just that the identity they curry favor with is White and male.
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