AP: In call with Mexican president, Trump threatened invasion. White House says it didn't happen

Nopw. My family wanted him to be an angry loud fuckwit. They see the government as corrupt and want the world to burn.

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At least we can expect Aussie insults to be as good as Scottish ones.

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If you’ve ever been through the plains states, you know “unorganized territory” is the perfect description

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I think Shitler’s just upset because we wouldn’t let the Von Trapp’s sing at his inauguration.

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What the hell does that word salad even mean?

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One must then wonder, why is the transcript more trustable than the readout?

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Oh how I can’t wait until we can say this to the Cantaloupe Con:

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One concept that may also not be occurring to the great carrot asshole:

If you bring war to a nation, by means of a superior military force, the only option is to blend in with the population and conduct a guerrilla war. And there’d be a LOT of sympathizers on this side of the wall once their families down south start getting hurt.

something something breeding a new group of domestic terrorists/guerrilla fighters…

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“Beware the Jabberwock, my son!
The jaws that bite, the claws that catch!
Beware the Jubjub bird, and shun
The frumious Grabersnatch!”

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A Mexican guerrilla war and insurgency against the occupying US. That’s a new one. (well… kind of new… no gurilla war the last time…)

Man, I don’t need another dystopia to worry about.

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Not to be in any way supportive of anything that comes out of Trump’s mouth, but I think calling that an “invasion” is a bit much. Were U.S. troops invading Columbia when going after the narcos there? I suppose you could use that word, but you’d be editorializing.

Also, the existing approach to the Mexican cartels clearly isn’t working, so it seems to me that its worth considering other options. And if those cartels become a threat to our national security (I don’t know if they are or not), then it seems to me that its a justification for at least considering the use of our military. Not advocating a “shock & awe” Iraq style invasion, but if the Mexican police and military have been co-opted by the cartels (or, to put it more precisely, if they are the cartels), then it seems perfectly reasonable to at least consider the use of our military. Sure that’s a can of worms, but so is unchecked cartel expansion.

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Make Oregon great again!

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So the fact that Mexico is a sovereign nation means nothing to you? I know it doesn’t to the D.

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Correctme if I’m wrong, but I thought it was more a case of Texan slave-owners seceding from Mexico and joining the US. Because treason and slavery are the oldest of their traditions.

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How do you think Americans would characterize the situation if Mexico sent its military into our country without permission and engaged in extrajudicial execution of American citizens who were suspected of causing problems in their country? (Say, the gun runners supplying the narco gangs with weapons.)

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My money is on Pick’s disease, but I’m gonna need some brain samples to be sure.

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Yeah, maybe. The problem is, we can’t trust any official statements or documents coming from the White House. When 95% of what Trump says is a lie, and his cronies are willing to back up his lies, that’s proven to be the case. If the conversation went the way it was initially reported, someone in the White House quickly would have realized how completely fucked up that was and done their damnedest to make sure that wasn’t the official narrative.

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Of course it means something to me, but that’s not the point. At a minimum, him threatening to intervene is business as usual for United States foreign policy in Central and South America.

And look at the text of the call:

“You have a bunch of bad hombres down there. You aren’t doing enough to stop them. I think your military is scared. Our military isn’t, so I just might send them down to take care of it.”

Do you dispute anything in those first three sentences? Sure it’s in Trump speak, which makes it really hard to parse, but he’s got a point.

As far as that fourth sentence, that’s obviously a tricky one, and I remain optimistic enough to think its hyperbole and is his way of saying “get your shit together on this, we’re officially concerned, and are available to help”. Columbia is a good analogy again. But alas, even if he’s speaking literally, it would be par for the course for American foreign policy in Central and South America since at least WW2.

I vaguely recall that the US military presence in Colombia came under “Plan Colombia”, a Congressional initiative. Which is to say that Trump may think of the US military as his own personal plaything, and he may well have dreamed of wearing a classy Generalissimo uniform ever since he transitioned from Officers’ Academy to Draft-dodging Coward, but he is not in a position to “send them down to take care of it.”

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Very good point. But again, he hasn’t mobilized any troops, just expressed his interest in doing so if the situation doesn’t improve. That doesn’t in any way rule out the possibility of it being a Congressional initiative if troops get deployed.