You are welcome to disagree with what I said, but that doesn’t make it a syllogism - faulty or otherwise. Feel free to critique it and audit my reasoning, if you find it helps to do so. Instead, all I get is lots of snarky comments which seem more designed to influence how I am perceived.
There are probably some fundamental assumptions which we don’t share. Most governments assert that they can own property, and make arbitrary distinctions between “government property” and “public property”. This can represent a grey area, where accountability is hand-waved. It all comes down to where your democratic processes reside on a continuum between the public having only symbolic input, all the way to complete oversight. The US feds certainly don’t mind paying lip service to the notion of being public servants. But there are those who operate from the principle that the public are the authority which their government is beholden to.
That you might find this disagreeable doesn’t make it crazy or wrong, a more respectful reading might be that this would represent a difference of opinions, values, methods, or goals. But IMO that’s perfectly cool, I cherish differences and learning from them them, without feeling threatened.
No kidding, professor? But explaining how a certain way of feeling will never help is not in any way the same as telling anybody what to feel.
“You can be or go wherever you like. But if you feel this road will take you to HypotheticalDestination, it won’t. No matter how strongly you feel about it.” The fact that this can be unpleasant to hear does not make it less empathetic or compassionate.
Who do you imagine you are helping, professor? And were you asked to? And how the fcuk do you know that? We’re talking specifically about people who feel targeted by racism and your advice is more or less ‘feeling bad won’t get you anywhere’?
Wow Patronizing. Just wow.
I really am done interlocuting with you. You’re quite queerly querulous.
The Southern Poverty Law Center reported that [… an earlier action in Utah involving the younger Bundys was] a part of the second wave of the antigovernment “Patriot” movement that roiled America and spawned much violence in the 1990s. It’s no surprise that many of the armed militia members who stood with Bundy against BLM agents –– an event that has come to be known as “The Battle of Bunkerville” –– came to Utah to ride ATVs alongside local residents. Ryan and Aamon Bundy, two of Cliven Bundy’s sons, and Ryan Payne, who leads Operation Mutual Aid, a coalition of militias sworn to stand with citizens in confrontations with the federal government, were present in Utah.
Payne told Hatewatch that these protests would continue until the federal government understood its constitutional obligations to the people. “One of the biggest things is just standing with people to empower them so they feel comfortable taking a stand,” …
Given that this is a remote outpost in a national park area, I doubt access was a problem for most people. The parks and rec cabins in public parks are meant to be there to help people. Once again, it is the militiamen who are restricting access here.
Well that is the problem with symbols. They can mean different things at different times in different areas. Even the dreaded Swastika used to be cool, and still is in some areas. You’ll have to ask the other guy what the flag means to him.
True. I think several folks have asked @Max_Blancke what their avatar means and they haven’t said yet… However, there are some symbols, like the nazi flag or the confederate flag which are invested with enough meaning that they are, at best problematic. I don’t know the flag that they have on their avatar, so I can’t say.
Yup, these guys are different. On the one hand you have jihadists with a deep belief that martyrdom will give them many virgins in heaven, and on the other hand a bunch of fat middle aged white guys. Come on, really. There’s a difference.
What I said is that this is how I personally have worked with being a target of racism myself. I didn’t say that it was advice. But if it helps others who have gone through anything like I did, then my speaking about it might be worthwhile.
So these are the folks currently being displaced by a militia, lead by a couple of individuals who support a poacher, that burned up a bunch of forest to cover his own crimes? Is that a reasonable synopsis?
Actually, pretty much true. Bundy got his confiscated cattle back, he got the agents to leave in disgrace, and has not yet been forced to pay his bills.
He got all that he came for during the standoff.
You´re quite right in that the further wacky demands Bundy made in his media appearances after the standoff have not been met.
And, if anything, I’d say that only reinforces the Bundy clan’s notion that you get what you want by pointing a gun at someone.
