Good. I canāt believe they let her keep her own email account. It isnāt like anyone could have plausibly known that it wasnāt a huge deal. We all flipped out when Bush ālostā all those emails and Palin was found to be using her own email account while she was Governor and for good reason.
Frankly, Clinton should be forced to hand over every single email in her account and let the state department figure out what is work-related and what isnāt for FOIA requests. It is the only way weāll ever know if she handed everything over and if things are missing or deleted. Anything less will inevitably lead to trust issues and questions about her covering something up.
If Benghazi and E-mail/gate is what the G0P is resting itās 2016 hopes on, well good luck in 2016, that aināt going to pull Hillary out of the 2016 race, and it sure wonāt keep her outāa the White House.
FACT!
YAY same old mediocrity.
Name your āpolitical poisonā, itās all out thereā¦
Iām puzzled. Didnāt she just announce the release of all these emails? So the AP is suing to force the very thing she just promised. Well I suppose itās work for the starving lawyers.
Source? I read something about her lawyers turning over emails from the account that were state business, but not about turning over everything. I trust her lawyers to pick out which ones are state business about as far as I can throw them.
Source: NPR, about 20 minutes ago. And 25, and 30, and 35 minutes ago, they have nothing else to talk about.
Also, maybe you know something terrible about the integrity of the ones doing the sifting. I donāt have any information on that score.
Oh. I havenāt looked at todayās news. Well thatās great news!
It has nothing to do with if she actually did anything. It would simply be used to call into question her integrity in the future at any time. Thatās part of the reason we have transparency laws in the first place.
I believe that email left the computer some time back around '92.
It might.
All Reps need to do is demoralize Dems into not turning out for Hillary.
If they can get some people who are a bit on the fence or not a big fan of her fuckery to stay at home or vote independent, they can leverage their massive base of frothing idiots and arrogant libertarians into voting for whatever stooge they put up instead and BOOM. 8 more years of idiots.
The Democrats need to stop treating a Hilary candidacy like an inevitability and need to get some other people up there.
I keep getting my hopes up that something will destroy Clinton and sheāll have to pull out of the race very soon. We need Bernie Sanders for president, not yet another shitty, family dynasty in perpetual power.
This. Email scandal or not.
Letās make sure weāve got the best candidate, not just the one who feels most entitled to the presidency.
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The Democrats need to stop treating a Hilary candidacy like an inevitability and need to get some other people up there.
[/quote]Bernie Sanders. We the people just need to show him some support and heāll do it.
I like Sanders. Elizabeth Warren would be fucking amazing, too, though I donāt know that she wants the position. The challenge those two face is that itās easy to write off lefty coast-folk. Itād probably be hopeless to put Russ Feingold back in the running, but I like him, too.
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Elizabeth Warren would be fucking amazing
[/quote]Agreed. Iād love to see Warren/Sanders or Sanders/Warren.
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The challenge those two face is that itās easy to write off lefty coast-folk.
[/quote]Thatās why I hope some soul-crushing scandal hits Clinton and forces her to pull out soon. Iām not sure Sanders can beat her (but Iād sure like to see him try). But, if this country is faced between Sanders and rightwing nutjobs and/or Bush dynasty, I think heād win in a landslide. The country is ready for someone who is willing to criticize Obamaās failings, but is also ready to take on the far right corporatist right wing.
I donāt necessarily share your optimism, but Iād support that reality. At any rate, we can all agree that the idea of Hillary Clinton as president gives a lot of democrats a bit of an āā¦ickā¦ā feeling, and that this would probably be enough for a rightwing nutjob in a competently-run campaign to fuck us over for another decade.
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I donāt necessarily share your optimism
[/quote]Obama ran on a leftwing platform consisting of single payer (not Obama/RomneyCare) along with anti-bankster, anti-disparity and anti-war agendas. He won in a landslide on that progressive platform with the highest voter turnout in 40 years. I think someone like Sanders could easily also win in a landslide.
Of course, Obama didnāt follow through on most of his leftist agendas or even just try and fail (which would have been better than nothing). However, Sanders has a solid record of following through on most of his promises or at least trying and fighting.
I think the mission now is to get the word out to a disillusioned country that Sanders isnāt just making hollow promises. Unlike Obama, heāll actually fight tooth and nail for progressive agendas like single payer, a living wage, etc. once heās elected president.
Iām not incredibly optimistic we can get the word out past the wall of disillusionment and the lazy apathy that goes along with it, but I think we should damn well try if we give one shit about the future of this country weāre going to leave for kids and future generations.
No matter what happens, when I leave this world Iād like to at least have the sense of pride that I tried and fought against this horrific direction our country has been going in.
At any rate, we can all agree that the idea of Hillary Clinton as president gives a lot of democrats a bit of an āā¦ickā¦ā feeling
Unfortunately, sheās still the likely frontrunner whether smarter progressives agree with that or not. Frankly, I really do hope she gets taken down and out by a scandal or Slick Willie screws things up somehow and becomes too much of a distraction, but Iām not counting on that either.
If anything, Iām pretty pessimistic in that regard.
that this would probably be enough for a rightwing nutjob in a competently-run campaign to fuck us over for another decade.
The insane thing is itās looking like weāre heading towards a Clinton dynasty versus Bush dynasty competition. That should embarrass every American for an entire host of reasons.
The key word is ānastyā.
i feel the need to point out that Bill and Hilary do not share any DNA so calling it a dynasty is kind of unfair. Also I like to believe that Hil has been tempered by being a target of the right for so many years and hope that she has a few finely prepared zingers to use in the debates that could just lay out the hopeful person in the other corner. I think this is what they are really worried about. Nothing is going to surprise her when it comes to the smears they are accustomed to. I donāt think we would see her look like a deer in the headlights like Obama did in the second debate.
I do think we are going to see two women go head to head for the job this time. That should be refreshing.
The Dem who gets the nomination has to be centrist and ready to at least say that they are willing to throw some missiles around in defense of āthe homeland.ā Just a fact, I believe. The land between the coasts is full of people very concerned about their safety. (No insult to Colorado, by the way, a coastal state in the middle of the country.)
I had the same reaction. Hillary specifically asked the State Dept. to release all of her emails. So the AP is suing to, what, encourage them? Iām definitely not seeing her as the ābad guyā here.
