I very clearly have stated that BOTH the losing primary candidates and the voters themselves are to work together to avert the ongoing catastrophe.
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If you’r focus is there, on trying to convince me and the rest of 100 million people to hold our noses vs. demanding the D party stop playing dirty games and act… democratic, then you have already admitted defeat. When Trump is re-elected, you are welcome to blame me and keep ignoring the damn elephants in the Democratic room.
Surely you’ve heard of her husband? They even share a last name. Ran for the same office. What are the odds? Nah, purely coincidental. My bad.
AND THAT’S NOT A HERITAGE.
That’s my whole point. She’s not a part of a political dynasty, because she’s the WIFE of a former president. She hasn’t inherited her place in politics, she’s built it up along with and without Bill.
What “dirty games” and undemocratic things are you talking about? Explain, please.
There is none. Teddy Roosevent couldn’t do it, and none of the foreseeable third-party candidates couldn’t stand up to Roosevelt’s ghost.
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So who is the bad person who stands to be elected if this sentiment is followed this election? Who is the Democrat polling in say the top spots who is worse than the Republican candidate? Is there a third party candidate who is both amazing and has a statistically meaningful chance of winning that we would be passing up? It isn’t an arbitrary bifurcation or silly tribalism to say that every likely candidate is better than Trump. It is a difference of values. Signalling rah rah centrism and feigning indifference doesn’t further democratic (small D) dialogue.
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I don’t think there is, but I like to include it in a list of options in case we’ve moved into the once every sesquicentennial party realignment without me noticing.
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Your objection is to my word heritage? Because they are married? It’s not related to aristocracy because that never involves marriage?
Heritage. Pick a different word then.
I’m hoping that it happens because the GOP dies out, and Democratic party splits up into leftist and centre parties.
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As an initial matter, I don’t accept your premise that your view is shared by by 100 million voters in this country, so the “our” and “us” might not be wholly accurate.
I do think there is a vocal minority of folks for whom spite is a larger motivation than is actually implementing as much of the progressive policy they purport to care about as possible. The caricature of the Bernie Bro who would rather vote for Trump or Jill Stein to teach the corporate Democrats a lesson in 2016 existed, even if it wasn’t as prevalent as many would believe. To be very frank, I don’t give a shit about pandering to selfish prats like that, who will only be happy when they’re personally given a lollipop and apology letter from the head of the DNC telling them what special boys and girls they are, and how everyone should have listened to them. I’d much, much rather motivate the progressive voters who have skin in the game and would rather do what they can to save the country rather than cut their noses off to spite their faces.
All this stuff you purport to want, moving the Democratic party to the left and acknowledging the progressive base, NOW is the time to actually do it. That’s what the primary is for. Skipping straight to the part complaining about how progressives didn’t get their way is puzzling to me, to be honest.
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Then it appears we agree that the GOP is the problem here, yeah? I guess I got that in your reply to @anon29537550 you meant that we got to where we are by the Democrats being unwilling to reach across the aisle…
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yes, i think we’re in agreement that the GOP is the main problem, but i am further arguing that dems failures to effectively recognize or confront the problem in some cases has gotten us where we are, i.e. with the “overton window” shifted far right of center.
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It seems like at least some of the candidates, several of whom are rather high profile, are working to change that. The two recent elections in NYC (AOC and that other woman who just got elected, whose name I can’t remember right this second) indicate change might be afoot within the party.
The debate about party change has been (since the end of the whigs and emergence of the GOP) whether or not one should work from without or within the party. Mostly changes have come from within the party itself.
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Did you harass people who weren’t 100% Bernie? Did you spend your time 'splaining to people with doubts that he was perfect, how wrong they were without addressing their concerns? Talk over people about how Bernie was the only hope?
If not, then I wouldn’t label you a bro. Supporter, yes. And it’s fine to bitch and moan. We all do. It’s when someone says “I am not sure his track record on racial issues is all that great…” and they get slammed by comments telling them that they’re stupid and blind or how he’s the greatest candidate in the history of political candidates, ever. That’s where the problem comes in.
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Lest’s just agree that are good people on both one side.
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The age old question in American politics: do we vote for the lesser evil?
But is there ever a perfect candidate? For some people maybe, but most of us just ignore those aspects of a candidate we don’t like and focus on what we do like about them. Which is a variation on “lesser of two evils.”
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Honestly, I’d love to have stickers of this sort on my car bumper… but I’m afraid of being ‘keyed’.
Oh, what the hack. I’ll chance it!
BTW: I wonder if these are made in China.
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They’re printed by StickerMule in the USA.
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In truth, I made it for two audiences. I want the rednecks in my town to see that people around them intend to vote for a Democrat in 2020. But it’s also for the liberals who get caught up in the inter-party purity tests. At the end of the day, Trump is a global democracy-ending threat. I have favorite Democrats, too, but I’ll vote for whichever one the party nominates because now is not the time for purity tests. Now’s the time to put out the goddamn fire.
IMHO, of course.
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I don’t personally expect or desire an apology for DNC shenanigans, but I saw no meaningful changes after they fed Clinton the debate questions… the microphone nonsense with Yang kinda says it all. They’re going to annoint whomever they wish, despite the “Democrat” name of the party. As long as they play that game, there will be a lot of people who aren’t enthusiastic enough to go out and vote for them, who otherwise would. This is a numbers game… I need no personal convincing any which way, but if this bumper sticker is aimed at convincing the 100 million or so to vote for Harris, no matter the D behavior, it seems like a pre-emptive strategy for defeat. That’s the point I’m making… it’s not about spite, it’s about percentages of a huge population, and whether D party is playing to win, or ignoring the people’s interests.
Calling your opposition voters morons is a bit like calling them deplorables. Doing that, won the election for the Republicans in 2016.
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