Yeah, we can only put so much blame on “the system.” If the voters had turned out for Bernie the way we’d all hoped he would then he’d be the nominee right now, but they didn’t. The sad truth is that this country has a lot of voters who make questionable decisions. That’s how Trump came into power despite his own party’s leadership pushing for marginally less monstrous nominees.
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Well, this is too bad; even if Bernie’s chances were slim, progressive voters should have been given a chance to show their strength and convince Biden that he should be listening to that wing of the party.
The DNC made Bernie drop out?
All we’ve seen is that the Democratic voters in some primaries up to now would rather have Biden than Bernie. We’ll find out about Trump later.
Biden has already mentioned her as a possibility.
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Well, you’re giving voters more credit for staying updated on policies than I ever would, but perhaps. M4A is actually massively popular, but the word Socialism isn’t. Honestly, I think one of the worst ideas Bernie had was about abolishing private insurance. I can’t understand that, though I understand the reasoning. It just provided cheap sound bites that made it look too radical.
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It wasn’t Bernie’s idea, it was a core Democratic policy proposal from FDR though the early 70s, and is reality on the ground in most of our peer countries.
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I wouldn’t go that far; they’re not nearly organized enough. However, they definitely mustered all of the resources and people they could before S.C. specifically to kick Bernie out. Even Warren withholding an endorsement, which would obviously be for Bernie policy-wise, was a bit of a cynical play to stay in the conversation for VP regardless of nominee (IMO, of course).
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There’s quite varied polling results depending on who and how you ask, but generally it seems like people preferred Biden’s angle.
A friend of mine at least was very scared of M4A on the basis that it would enable republicans, if they ever got into office, to tamper with his health policy.
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It really isn’t though. In most countries with universal health care there are private insurance providers in addition to the public option. Granted, in most of them they aren’t needed, and are just luxuries for the wealthy like first-class airline seats are, but they aren’t banned.
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M4A without an LGBT nondiscrimination law first would definitely be used to deny trans people health care. No question in my mind.
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Here’s what I’m fucking sick of- living in a state that, by the time primaries roll around to us in Pennsylvania, the nominee is either already decided or basically my vote doesn’t really count for much.
I’m tired of this state by state crap and it makes the race biased toward whichever state is first.
It makes it impossible for my vote to actually matter because the entire form of the race is tailored from the start toward the people who start voting earlier than I do, gives us the same bowl of shit every time.
For the rest of my life if I live in the state if nothing changes it doesn’t matter who runs for office because by the time they get to this point I really won’t get to decide much.
I don’t even feel like voting now because there’s no point to voting for a single candidate running against no one.
When the general election rolls around I will vote for Biden but only because of the alternative.
I will never get a choice as long as I live here.
This system is bullshit from front to back and we need a new way to vote because I dont want to put up with this again, or any kids I may have someday to put up with this.
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He’s not saying it’s a bad idea, but that it’s an unnecessary additional rhetorical hurdle to put up.
Hell, without having to sell it, I’d go one step further: I think America’s private health insurance system should be heavily investigated and executives and boards thrown in jail (that would require that the evil, destructive things that they do also be crimes, which everyone likes to remind me they probably aren’t).
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There’s an interesting piece in the NY Times comparing the health plans of a lot of comparable countries – https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/09/18/upshot/best-health-care-system-country-bracket.html. Generally, they don’t “abolish” private health insurance. Often (Netherlands and France are examples, I think) have a mixed system, where there is a place for a (highly regulated) private health insurance business. And countries that have true government-run systems, such as the UK, don’t need to “abolish” anything, they just make it mostly unnecessary.
If we had a system such as Medicare for All (or any of its flavors), you wouldn’t make health insurance illegal or abolish it, you just make it useless. Those companies would adapt, as many of them have already started to do. There may be other, possibly related, forms of insurance that they are equipped to do. We have fire, flood, and earthquake insurance which nobody complains about much; they could branch out. Here are details about how private health insurance functions in other countries: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/23/health/private-health-insurance-medicare-for-all-bernie-sanders.html
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It’s true - but we get way overweighted in the general election.
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If they ever got into office…god, what a frightening thought. We’d better get rid of all laws, just in case that ever happens, so they won’t have any laws to abuse.
I assume they’ll never use Medicare, then. Or Medicaid. Or a private health insurance policy, since those are also regulated (poorly) by the government.
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If Trump wins because nobody is excited to vote for Biden, who do I blame at that point?
The DNC? Biden? Conservatives?
I can actually see Trump winning because of this shit sandwich choice and I really hope I’m wrong but a lot of people who haven’t been paying attention who haven’t been outraged for the last 4 years might not care about removing him as much as they are not motivated by Biden.
I had better see Elizabeth Warren vice president to represent progressives if Biden wins because I am sick of this standard horseshit sandwich the DNC insists on slamming down my throat
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All of us. Me & you too.
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I’ll be the hot take - history says what brings Trump is a population screaming for change (any change - good or bad) - and that if the change doesn’t happen (Trump didn’t do it - Biden won’t) that the rebound is something worse than the first attempt.
History says that if Biden wins the next R will be a logarithmic factor worse than Trump - and that honestly has never been wrong.
Good times to think about.
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Again, the Vice President has no power, and we would guarantee giving the Senate to the Republicans. I will be devastated if she is badgered into taking that position.
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Every single last eligible voter who decided that being “excited” was more important than ousting Trump.
She’s representing progressives right now in the Senate. You’re asking her to give up that power to a Republican appointee in exchange for a mostly ceremonial role. I’d prefer to make her Senate Majority Leader.
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