Saying “You must be mentally ill if you think boredom is a good reason to go out and kill somebody” is not painting all mentally ill people as violent. It’s painting psychopathic behaviour (like killing somebody just because you’re bored) as evidence of mental illness.
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Fair enough, although CNN and RT both say he did fire at the cops and also fired some shots before they came. CNN said he intended to harm the police, RT says he didn’t. It still seems like a pretty big deal to be discharging an assault weapon inside an elementary school, including in the direction of cops.
I don’t think anybody has ever suggested that, except the fever dreams of Wayne LaPierre, in which even the lightest of regulation equals black helicopters and genocide. It is a straw man, and you probably know that.
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Katja’s post was instead suggesting we eliminate teenagers? Or boredom? I only saw the three things.
Mockery is not generally held to such high standards of syllogistic accuracy.
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Cut their damn hands off. Let them live with that. Youths know they will get off easy killing or hurt people with the young defenders law. Hopefully Karma bites them in the ass. They show no remorse but perhaps in time they will understand should they live that long.
Killing innocents for kicks.
So having mental health issues then?
Glad we cleared that one up.
Yes, let the killers live on and you can take care of them. good luck with your insight.
We have systems in place to take care of criminals with mental health
issues. Why would I need to get involved?
What exactly is people’s issue with this? Does it make more sense to you
for a couple of kids to be perfectly normal but kill people when bored?
Cause that makes sense doesn’t it. I know I considered murdering tourists
as a boy when I got restless, nothing odd about that right? Just normal bad
behaviour, darned kids!
Or does it provide some comfort to be able to dismiss them as demons,
rather than accept that there’s clearly not something right in their heads?
Is it because ultimately you want to dismiss them entirely, destroy them,
and it’s easier to imagine that there’s absolutely no root cause to this
event? That its completely random and the result of a bad attitude?
Please elaborate.
Just like I figured- the initial reports avoided the race issue.
Now the details come out while trolls were trolling.
The race issue, its yours. You’re the one with ‘the race issue’.
Please stop projecting, you sound like a bigot.
So we should reserve the power to decide life and death only to the criminals who initiate the process?
No Brick, clearly we should let the criminals set the bar. Clearly. Jesus tits.
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No, I do not. I firmly believe that if you step out of line, act like an animal and kill or rape someone, you just forfeited your rights to be treated as a humane member of society and the human race. While “The Thin Blue Line” is possibly my favorite documentary, as is the “Paradise Lost” series, I also follow ones like “The Cheshire Murders” where it is impossible to convince me that those two convicted “gentlemen” should not catch it with their heads.
Randall Adams (Thin Blue…) and Damien Echols (Paradise…) never confessed (only Miskelly did under duress in the West Memphis case), the Cheshire killers both did (and were caught on scene, fleeing. One even specifically requested to be lit up after his conviction, but the bleeding hearts fought him on it all the way.
I would still like to see non-refuted proof of an incorrect execution, both sides make claims of proof/lack thereof either way, depending on their agenda. But in cases where there is no doubt, such as in Cheshire, explain to me why those individuals who chose to rampage on innocent lives deserve to be treated with the same respect as law abiding citizens?
So if these kids did it and confessed, then the world can do just fine without them. We have over 6 billion people here, they aren’t all necessary and worthwhile, especially not when they step so far out of line as this.
Your viewpoint is self-centered and myopic. I don’t believe it to be immoral. You do. But you do not get to define morality. And I want unrefuted citations on executions of innocent men. For every convicted criminal on death row (Ruben “Hurricane” Carter comes to mind) there are plenty of people on the other side providing facts that cast just as much reasonable assurity as the suspect’s claims of innocence.
Hopefully you’ve never had a loved one raped, tortured and then murdered simply by crossing the wrong person’s path. Go through that, then come back and tell me about peace, love an understanding for the humanity of the offender.
If someone goes out into the world looking for trouble then they should get it. And I firmly believe that removing them from the world is not a deterrent to others. That would require rational thought and criminals by their very nature do not make rational decisions. But removing them from this world does ensure that that particular criminal will never offend again. To me, that is a fair moral transaction. That is only my viewpoint, my definition of what is moral… yet I can sleep just fine at night with it.
Watch “The Cheshire Murders”, listen to the father’s viewpoints on capital punishment, it is exactly how I have felt on the issue for decades.
They don’t have that right either. That’s what makes their actions “criminal.”
My understanding, being from the bigot-rich south is that “Hate Crime” labeling is in place not to make it worse that you attacked someone due to a hatred for their race, sexual orientation, etc. but as an aid to prevent crimes being overlooked because of a prevailing acceptance of such behavior by the larger communities in which they occur. Before hate crime legislation it was easier for a local podunk Sheriff to simply say “ah well, that boy got killed, but he was just a ##gger in the wrong part of town” or “if he wasn’t a ##ggot no one would have bothered him”. It’s the “Good 'ole Boy” mentality which is prevalent in the backasswards parts of America.
(That’s not a slam, it’s a fact that surrounds me in the very state in which I live. I’m neither black, brown, nor gay… just a plain white-bread boy brought up baptist, turned agnostic… but it still turns my stomach to know it’s still tacitly accepted even in some of the more progressive cities here and blatantly accepted out in the sticks)
Correct. And the price you pay for that action is turning in your “Human Being” card and getting taken out. Perfectly fair to me.
So, criminals are not to be considered human beings?
Your posts need more “sheeple” references. Seriously.
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“Fair” or not, I don’t have enough trust in the system to grant it that kind of power. You appear to have a lot more faith in the infallibility of our courts and government than I do. To each his own.
